Spotted on 494 east bound lanes in vicinty of ridgedale mall. Posting from my mobile. Good luck gents
wouldn't that be 394 then? or 494 south? 394 shoots across by the mall and 494/694 loops around. either way, good to know.
it's that time of year. yesterday they had maybe 8 state troopers on the highway 5/494 area in EP. sounds like they are moving up the highway. tomorrow plymouth?
This past 2 weeks there have been 10000x more speed traps and police on the roads. it is very anoying. Also keep an eye open when you enter the construction on 394W/12W right where it drops to 45 they have been having a ton of traps in there now.
THIS!! also I think unmarked cars should not be able to pull you over for speeding, I feel if we can't have a jammer and hide from them, why can they hide from us? there are worse things they could be stopping then me going 12 over.. rant/
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Speed traps are illegal in CA though. Note that speed traps are not what most people think.
The officer has to make you speed. Hiding in the bushes with a radar gun while you do 55 in a 45 without any other police involvment isn't entrapment, it's speeding. The first thing you learn in evidence class is that it's never entrapment. Entrapment is a very narrow rule and is basically designed to keep officers from inducing you to break the law. One must prove that: 1. You had no previous inclination to break this law; and 2. That officers exerted tremendous pressure to get you to break the law An example of entrapment: Postal inspectors spent two years attempting to pursude a man to buy obscene photos from them (with no previous shown inclination). When he finally relented two years later, that was found to be entrapment. It's very hard to see a speed case where it would be entrapment unless there was an officer in the car or something. And no, reving an engine once in street racing interdiction isn't entrapment, however, in extreme cases, there might be a defense (don't rely on this).
regaurdless, they are ridiculous. the damn porkers should be doing something more productive than effing up traffic more than it is, and that is all it does, morons stop and stare and it screws **** up more. seriously, and dont try to feed me that "Speed Kills" crock of crap
I don't have a problem with speed traps per se, but rather with the very inconsistent way that MN enforces speed rules. You can drive by squad after squad at 10 over the limit for months on end, and then you get pulled over during one of their enforcement phases for 5 over. I also have a big issue with a cop pulling over one guy out of a steady stream of cars all going the same speed. Edina cops used to do this all the time at 50th and Hwy 100. Essentially they would profile people by their vehicle there. If you had a cheap/old car, they might pull you over at random out of the flow of traffic. If you had an average or nicer car (and therefore might be an Edina resident), they wouldn't. I used to drive that intersection every day and every day I'd see it happen again.
Or it could be a different cop. I officers in the same dept, one may pull over only at 15 over, another may at 5 over. As for the second, it's hard to pull over 20 cars. And pulling over 1 car in the group still has the desired effect, slowing people down. Yes, they tend to cite the cheap car based on no insurance suspicion or "fast" cars because, well, they look fast. Why do you think i drive a wagon?
Of course it's a different cop. That's my point. If there was any kind of consistency to MN's speed enforcement it wouldn't matter which cop it was. And by doing so they are contributing to the problem. I'd personally rather see them all pull people over at 5 over (or heavens forbid, enforce the actual speed limit!), or all pull people at 15 over.
I am pretty much with vector on this one. Both with the speeding and the consistent enforcement If you play once and a while you will pay.
Well, if you didn't speed it wouldn't be a problem Really, if you're doing over the speed limit, you should expect a ticket and be happy when you don't get one. (Whether speed limits are reasonable everywhere is a completely different story). 15 v. 5 over is the difference between a cop who'd rather do what people call "real" police work and a cop who brags about how many tickets he writes. Police are people and vary in how they work. There's also the whole discretion thing. If you want consitancy like that, we could get some speed cameras. There are also reasons the same officer might cite different speeds. WIth a pace ticket, if an officer hands me a 5mph ticket, its getting a sweet deal to a dismissal. It's too hard to do. However, a 5mph ticket with laser in ideal conditions is rock solid. Oh and 5 mph is the minimum partially because no speed gun is more accurate than +/- and officers do know that not all speedos will be accurate within 4 mph (even though lack of knowledge is not a defense to speeding here)
speed limits are a crock, they were artificially dropped... they are way lower than they would need to be for safety, efficiency, and economy.
In some places, yes. On the other hand, CR has a residential street (yes, a real residential street) with a 40mph limit that people still get 50+s on.
Nope. I ahven't done enough driving on the lgt yet, but my passat got better milage at around 65 than 55. Plus there's the cost of time. If I'm driving from Scarmento to Minneapolis, 55 v. 75 is 10 hours, which is basically a day of driving. That's huge.
it depends on the individual car really, but it dropped solely due to the US government threatening to drop funding for states during gas crunches
americans are always in a hurry to be late. drive the speed limit and everything will be just fine. people are just unorganised and irresponsible. im pretty sure its around 15% better gas milage if you drive 55 vs 65 no matter what you drive as long as its gas powered.
There's not a whole lot of federal involment with basic driving rules unless it's a CDL. (FYI, if you have a CDL and get a ticket, you're ****ed. Federal law also prevents deals that keep the speed off your record, though some prosecutors either don't know or don't care)
thats crazy just because your car is awd! im not here to argue about gas milage, or anything for that matter. I am just simply stating that **most** cars will get better mpgs at 55 vs 65. now who is going to argue that they get better gas milage going 85 vs 75, its logic. the slower you go =less wind resistance= better gas milage. its not that crazy of a concept.
but some motors are more efficent at different speeds (rpms) which is what really dictates mpgs. If I went 65 in 4th, I would get crap milege.
I am saying just generaly. most cars are in the same ballpark area for RPMS at normal (as in you arent in 2nd gear or anything) highway speeds. I understand some cars are different, but in the same way these concepts are the same for everything. its math.
You can gear a car to be most efficent at quite a few different speeds. Setting a super low limit for miliage because most cars are efficent at that speed is stupid. A: Speed limit should be ablout public safety only B: It removes the ability for someone to get thier best milage if they'[re best at say 65. Want better gas milage? Slow down yourself, don't force me too.
I drove 400 miles on Sunday in our Altima with the 3.5L V6. I was bored, so I tried some different things. At 65mph, I got 30-31mpg. At 60mph, I got 35-36mpg. At 55 I got about 37-38mpg. At 50mph, I got 40-41mpg. That's holding a constant speed, no accell/decell. When I go 65 on this trip, once you add in passing and going through towns, I generally end up about 27mpg overall (of note, WOT is somewhere < 5mpg). If I go 65 on the highway parts and the speed limits in towns, my average speed usually ends up about 60mph overall. So, that's 6:40 of driving. If I were to drop down 10mph on average, it would be 8:00. That's an extra 1:20 of my life (every month for this trip). Assuming I get 27mpg at 60mph average and that dropping down 10mph would net about an additional 7mpg, or 34mpg, I would use 14.8 gal at 60, and about 11.8 gal at 50. 3 gallons difference, or about $12 at current prices. Even if the price goes up to $5/gal, it would only be $15. And my sanity (such as I have left) is worth the extra $15. I could probably get at least 1/2 of the mileage gain simply by accelerating slower and coasting into a stop more and braking less, without adding significant time, and that's what I'm trying to do. Interesting side note. At 30mph, the car gets 27mpg. At 35mph it gets 40mpg. At 30mph, the damn transmission hunts between 3rd and 4th, killing fuel efficiency. Switching to manu-matic mode doesn't help either, as the transmission won't let me select 4th at 30mph.
I agree with point A, people that are saying we need to slow speed limits down to save resources are cracked out of thier mind, it is ULTIMATELY about safety.
But speed limits are all about compromises too. For instance, if you're zipping along at 70mph on I94 up north of the metro, you're 100% legal and have every right to. Now, Joe Thrifty putting along at 45mph is also within his legal rights. But now there's a 25mph difference in your speeds, and that's going to play hell with the traffic flow and introduce additional risk (it's much safer for traffic to all be moving at relatively the same speed, even if that speed is faster). Now throw in the guys who just go 10 over all the time (and there are a lot due to the inconsistent enforcement that I was talking about earlier), and it just gets worse. And to clarify my earlier statement, I have zero problem with a cop giving me a ticket if I'm speeding. But honestly, I'm going to judge my risk of getting one based on how the laws are enforced. And in MN, due to the spotty nature of actual enforcement, that's going to be a lot higher than say somewhere like WI, which is much more consistent. If a cop sees you more than 5 over in WI, you are more often than not going to get pulled over and ticketed. So most people in WI drive very close to the speed limit. In MN, it's a complete crapshoot as to what speed, if any, you'll get pulled over.
Part of this is dimler and general confusion about it even by cops. For the record, if you're doing below 65 in a 60 or 55, you're not getting points if you're not in commercial vehicle or have a CDL. Cops tend to not give out tickets if dimler applies (or if they think it applies) Differential is an issue, but it's perhaps less on an issue on a non-urban freeway than people think. In Germany, semi's have an extremely low limit and there still aren't major issues.
Ahh yes, Dimler. Fun stuff that. Essentially "we're going to have a law, but we're going to completely neuter it to make it simply a revenue generator" Good for the cops refusing to write meaningless tickets. At one point (and this may have been changed in the last 18 years), it was possible for an officer to bypass the Dimler by writing the citation differently. I learned this when an officer tried to do me a favor by writing me up for 64.9/55 instead of the 67/55 he'd clocked me at. But he wrote the ticket wrong, and it wasn't covered by the Dimler provisions. I learned this three months later when I lost my insurance. I had just bought a new (to me, but 15 years old) car and insured it under my own name and not my parents', thinking I had a clean record. Oops.
Dimler was a response to the feds imposing limits on freeways designed for greater speeds. It is now politicall unpopular to kill it. Oh and that was DPS thing. DPS got smacked down in court for it a few years ago. Thats getting hard. The new guns are damn good at telling when they're being actively jammed. Oh and radar jammers are federally illegal, and the FCC sees it as serious business.
