MNSubaru Members Please Contribute!

Attn: MNSubaru Members, We Need Your Comments, Ideas And Suggestions, No Holds Bar!

Please feel free to voice your opinion because I feel this is a discussion long over due. My intention is “How to improve OUR CLUB/FORUM” going forward.

This site will be a year old by the end of this month and I feel that all members whether your new to the site or a veteran. Please, give us (for the members, by the members) your input on how to be a better club. I know it’s going to get hot in here but we need this to move forward.

Here’s my input:

*Forum: As far as the forum goes, it’s very much like any other site… it’s going to have it’s up and down. Even I talk out of topics here and there so I can only say, I’ll do better to follow topic discussion. *Going forward, I’m sure the Mod will do better at monitoring most of the thread if not all.

*Event: This is where we lack the most. Through this year we were able to have 4 or 5 event that barely made it to the success list. I’ve read all sorts of complaints and excuses.
To me, it’s not about money; we are not looking for members with money. If your pockets are loaded, good for you. I will say though, that yes, money is involved in any event no matter how you look at it. Even the so-called free event will cost you gas to get there right? so it’s not free after all. I use this as an example because I’ve had members’ complaint to me about gas. If you can’t afford it don’t say you’ll go then not show up. If you can’t afford gas, don’t drive it’s that simple.

*Business Support: We do need someone to step up so we can get some discount and also give him or her business to be fair in return… we lack someone who can get in contact with a business and make it official.

I want to take this time to thank everyone for his or her effort or lack there off, which includes me as well.

Let’s get together and do something!

 

How about we have a competition for new site layout? Come up with a layout, and we can have votes on the winner.

 

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Sorry to ba a pesimist but you cant change people! Sure we can change the site, monitor it more (I would be interested), but that still does not change the issue.


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Matt, you have mail } good or bad, we have to discuss.

 

It would be nice to have more information on local shops...ex..body shops, tuning shops, etc. We can also share our good and bad experiences at these places...all underneath the local shops button.

 

i like the site layout right now. other sites like nasioc are getting way to BIG. its way to difficult to find a topic on thier boards.
i do think that we shoudl have more meets (i shouldnt be talkin, i have barely made it to a couple of them.) it might just be fun to all get together and have a barbeque or sometign at a public park (ie free, maybe pitch insomething for food ect.)
As for the store topic, my buddy has a shop. i have already mentioned something similar to this to him. and i will bring it up again. i think his biggest concern is that he wont know who is in the club, and how much bussiness he will get for it.
some changes are good and some are bad. lets see what we can do here!

 

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dynapar

i like the site layout right now. other sites like nasioc are getting way to BIG. its way to difficult to find a topic on thier boards.
i do think that we shoudl have more meets (i shouldnt be talkin, i have barely made it to a couple of them.) it might just be fun to all get together and have a barbeque or sometign at a public park (ie free, maybe pitch insomething for food ect.)
As for the store topic, my buddy has a shop. i have already mentioned something similar to this to him. and i will bring it up again. i think his biggest concern is that he wont know who is in the club, and how much bussiness he will get for it.
some changes are good and some are bad. lets see what we can do here!
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I agree that the site is pretty good as-is, but a bit more would be nice, something like you've got over on MNAudi (especially the MNDot traffic map )

 

With the stress levels as high as they are given the time of year, I don't know if you will get the best input from the crowd here. However, here is my two cents.

1. We should have a rule on these events forums; A. the event organizer needs to set a date and time or at least an IDEA of a date and time right off the bat, also prices/costs for the event (or an idea of costs) when they post their thread. B. Those who post should not say maybe... or I think if... just wait until you KNOW FOR SURE and set aside the CASH and say YES I AM IN. Another idea is a treasurer or the event organizer can collect the cash as soon as people have it. C. I'm sick of the b!tchy little comments back and forth with all of the passive aggressiveness or straight out aggressiveness it drives me nuts! So they backed out, b!tching about it isn't going to change their character or situation.

2. What about a membership fee? Other sites do it, we could have a basic $5.00 fee for the year, it's not that much and it can go towards whatever we think it should go to. i.e. events or running this site.

3. Just the basics, some threads have been repeated/duplicated, do a search first. DUH!

4. Who could be a moderator?

5. Who ever is responsible for updating the site could add some stuff to the tabs up top, get a thread started for resources and events and such. This site could be used more as a resource with those at hand. Then, maybe people would be okay with paying $5.00 membership fee if they get something back.

6. Hmmm what else?... I could type more but I'll stop there for now.

7. Remember no holds bar!!! SAY IT ALREADY PEOPLE! I THINK IT WOULD HELP US OUT!

P.S. SURE I SAID SOME HYPOCRITICAL THINGS IN THIS POST BUT I'M ONLY HUMAN GUYS, GIVE ME A BREAK. :X

 

I'm in this Member for couple month. I knew this website after I bought my car even though I never done anything forums at all. This is my first subscribe, I'm dedicated this site. Thanks to YIA for recommended to join on this club and appreciated for meeting you guys. BTW other like nasioc and others are very complicated. The more posted thread , the more reading and hard to follow.

We can represent our site with making some DECALs and apperances, to let people know about our clubs.

More people joins membership fee (from noah) and a free gift!

 

I personally enjoy MNSUBARU just the way it is. No commitments no BS. The fact that we are a smaller community makes us unique. There will be many challenges no matter what direction this community decides to take.

As for the finance dept, I would suggest starting out with a donation rather than a required membership flat fee. There are too many other sites that already have a whole database built of information that I just dont see the point in trying to duplicate it at that level or any, it requires commitment on someones part.

As for the activities that have been let down, its a fact of life guys. I am use to just inviting everyone to other people parties and really dont give a crap if they show up. I know how much time it requires to put things together and if this is the desired direction than maybe we need to get some committed volunteers for staffing our board. If we cannot put together a event on our own, than why not get other forums or club to join in and share the expense and the fun.

There is no need to get political but if we have some leaders and a focus for what to expect for each season than maybe everyone will know how to make their schedule with the upcoming events.

I usually post calendars of each club that I can find or that I participate with early in the season, it would be nice if we had calendar of events somewhere on our forum.

I enjoyed the Fall Tour we did this season, and would expect that might be an annual event, example: if thats the case than we could have it preplanned on a calendar, and have the staff start putting it together.

I'd rather see our community keep things lite and simple.

 

We need to get more people to join the club. We should talk to the subaru dealers and see if we can put a sign in the building or something like that. I think that would help a lot.

 

As for the MSG board it is sufficent.
As for sponser ship/getting people at advertise for "club" income - great idea.
Nominal membership fee/donation fair enough, but who will be responsable for it?... (big can o worms)

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1. We should have a rule on these events forums;
A. the event organizer needs to set a date and time.
B. Those who post should not say maybe... or I think if... just wait until you KNOW FOR SURE
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there should be a big fat PERIOD to put at the end of that.

I'm going to use the Procart disaster thread for this. With out a fixed time it was very hard to plan on being somewhere. My schedual is fuller than most people, so it is hard to plan anything for myself to beguin with. Right now I am dug into a 350 bronco swap, but when the date fit, I said yes, I would do it. After the cancel/Restart/Change what ever I was willing to make the time to go, but I was so apathetic that it would happen. I can't belive Russ lasted as long as he did. I would have been like "go F yourself" a long time ago.... your a good man Russ.

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Mnsubi cards to give to current members so they can give them to new members or leave them on parked subis
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I have just been printing of the main page with the web address on it and droping it on windows (through when open ).

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I usually post calendars of each club that I can find or that I participate with early in the season, it would be nice if we had calendar of events somewhere on our forum.
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I think having an event calendar page is a great idea! Now if there was a way to have that calender link to the forum thread, and also list the people who have indicated that they WILL go for sure.... I will look into this for the html code... we could do them as a poll linked to user account.... but anyways.

I know I am the last to talk about making events. Since I joined I have only made it out to firestone 2 times, the LSPR, and The rally at 101 and 10. The rest of this month will be as bad. The bronco, brother buying a house and setting up a coral farm (guess who gets to help [xx(]). I will be gone mid of febuary to mid of march.... etc etc.
I think everyone needs to relax and realize that everyone has comitments to do...

well thats is my less than 2 cents for now.

 

My only contribution to this thread is the idea that mnsubaru events should be scheduled as in a once a month meet and greet, same day every month, so everyone knows on thethird wednesday of the month there is a cheap get together, and maybe look at 2 locations one up on the north side of the cities, one on the south side of the cities.

Of course people can come up with more events and such each month, but atleast we always have one to look forward to, which would be a good first step.

As far as this site goes it's nice, the only thing questionable is the registration, before you can view process, very few sites I've been to are this way, but I'm sure you guys did this for a reason, but it does make it difficult.

otherwise the people here are nice and there are a ton of posts on this forum for such a small group.

 

Thanks for the input guys, keep'em coming and like I said "no holds bar". Just let it out, the filter will do it's job. I value your suggestion whether good or bad.

 

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I know what you mean

Ok instead of doing something at a dealer we can do it at a performance shop. That would be better.

 

i agree with some of russ's points. first off maybe up the price of the mnsubie stickers to like 10 a pair (instead of 5) and maybe get some other styles planned. like a banner/brow design that would sell for more = more money for site. i would spend the money if the brow looked bad ass, and i knew the money was going to the site.

the calendar idea that wasbrought up was a good idea. however i have had bad experiences with tthose before. (calendar stays current for a while then starts to fall away....people get mad....no more calendar) also with the calendar alot of things are kind of spur of the moment (chux's weekend mudding excursions) with having veryu little notice it would be hard to get things up on the calendar unless many people had access to update it.

on to the site (again) i like the idea of having more threads. however some of them should just be resources. ie a thread called "subie shops" which would just include names, addresses, phone numbers of good shops that do subie work (custom/repair) and no chit chat. or maybe something similar but it has links to hard to find subie parts pages (some parts you just cant find).

site again. to repeat it i think the site is pretty good right now. i think we can do without a bunch of ads, pop ups, and high res graphics. i like how this site has minimal graphics (people with dial up know what i am talkign about) it is nice to have things load fast! (although a bigger selection of smilies would be kinda cool)

the idea of cards was mentioned. i like this idea. i have seen tons of subies around and i bet atleast some of them have no idea the club is out there.

also would be kinda cool to have membership cards.(gotta buy one (maybe a group buy?)) (maybe similar to credit card size/material)(rally blue with yellow swish on it w/ your name and board name on it w/ date registered) kinda neat idea.(make it seem more offical) the cards would also be a good way to authorize discounts (to verify membership you gotta show you membership card)

the idea regarding a flat yearly membership fee. i think it is a good idea to have, but then would it discourage the new members that just registered and dotn know what we are all about from stayign around. also wouold new members have to pay before they got access to the boards, cuase that would take away alot of people.
thats what i got for now. i may come up with more stuff later

 

I'll keep this one a one liner....lol.

I really like the idea of every couple of weeks have a garage night and do something/anything to one of the cars. That would really help many of us out...plus its a social event as well.

Dang..2 lines.

 

2 yrs ago when i first bought my wrx. i went into the nasioc board under the midwest section. I posted in it and Russ, Joel and some other people on the board asked me to come out to the firestone lot. I did. I was the only asain man there. sitting by myself. all lonley and confused. but the point was that it was heart warming where they invited you in and helped you out when you needed the help.

I believe this club has come a long way from where it started. I also planned 2 events where no one came except for Mr. Vic. he showed up for paint ball. which i shot him. and as for football no one came to it, and it was free.

membership fees seems like it would work. Just need a little dedication from the members.

we can do some pot luck meet or something. May be at Vics house. I hear he's got a big tv. Or just hang out somewhere. I dont even own a subie anymore and i post here more then some of the members here.

 

I need the vector artwork for the club logo and I can get started on the cards. I'll check the pricing I get and see what amount would be best to start with, though I figure 1000-2000 cards should be the best value. Depends on if I want to set up a master run with PMS 109 and 280 to make it more "official". I've already got the Meta font family that Subaru uses for marketing. I can make up a few designs and we can vote on them.

 

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I can make up a few designs and we can vote on them.
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Is it possible for a White GC to appear on the front? I got a few pics.

 

Our site/forum doesn't look flashy, but I guess it does load faster. Maybe just a little fix in forum stuff to make it look better/professional?

I've been invited to join the Prokart events but at the time I had no money so I didn't make none. I didn't have enough money now either which is why I didn't respond to the Prokart Thread at all because I didn't want to bring people's hopes up. I know many of you guys want to see me tear up some rubber and put down some laps.

Like said, I brought say about 10 lbs of FRIED RICE expecting to see a good handful of subarus during the GT3/game day at Vic's place along with 2 cases of pop. I wished that there was a lot more people, but with a couple of us there only, it still happened and we have good laughs and smiles along with surprises.

I have to think of something for a weekly or monthy meet/greet. I have MANY topics that I would love to talk about with many of you guys/gals. From motorsports, to tuning, suspension, and technical topics. And every month, I can come up with one and we all can learn together.

With some $$ in hand, I don't mind donating to the club/site.

 

Thanks for all the suggestions and input... I just want to make something clear. This site is not money strap, we are not in need of money and if we are... I'm sure Todd would be the first to say anything.

I'd like to see Todds input on this... I know you guys have a lot of valid points and idea. Let's push this up another notch and leave the membership money out of the picture.

Having a membership fee will turn a lot of new members or members to be off. Let's move forward w/o mentioning membership money.

Thanks for all the great info, keep'em coming.

 

I postwhore as much as I can for the club. I think I'm pretty good at it, but life has been tough and will get tougher. I make my hobby just that: my hobby. When I have spare time, I try to use it for the good of my hobby and for my friends. The suggestions posted in this thread are great, and I don't have anything else to add... besides this, please don't make our hobby into a political one.

 

there are alot of ideas here. is there any way to oraginize it into bullet points or something. it would be helpful to see what has already been posted. (just a logistical thought)

 

My experience with Membership fee's from other Motorsports club is that it give you as a member a discounted price say at a sanctioned event. My views on this is that I would not mind paying to be apart of a motorsports club that has seasonal scheduled events, but would not pay to be part of a motorsports club forum. My point is I'm big into motorsports and participate in mostly sanctioned events not that I dont like hanging around with my Scooby friends, I try to every chance I get but my responsibilities do not allow me to.

The idea of having a database full of links for anything useful will be to everyones benefit, I find myself searching thru our previous posts looking for information that could easily be resolved if this was in place.

You guys have to also keep in mind that some of the reasons why previous events have not worked out is due to lack of interest. Example: I dont care for Football, Paintball, or Karting, not that its a bad thing, but its not for me, sure I'll try it once or twice if any, but will only participate if I dont have something more important to do. I am glad that we have people willing to invest the time into putting it together.

If we are going to just continue having your basic events where say: hey lets go hang out at Vic's place or lets see how Ob1 installs his new turbo at Matt's Garage. We really dont need a strong infrustructure to manage this club. But if everyone wants a more, how should I say this, a more mature club where the club has their own sanctioned events were to partner up with other clubs to have an event we'll need more than just your weekend volunteers.

I know I'm repeating myself, but in order for this club to be able to represent themselves as a strong club like Audi, BMW, Corvette or anything we need some strong leaders that will bat for us. Hey maybe we are not ready, you tell me, but I would sure like to someday get a butch of Subaru guys together and call up another clubs and say hey I got a butch Subaru guys that want to participate in your event at MAM, I'll bring my drivers if we can get us in at a perferred rate. Clubs do this all the time.

 

I agree with others that the site is kind of bland, but this is also because the site is being served off of a regular dsl/cable line, and doesn't have that much bandwidth to offer. If we did want a flashier site, it could probably be hosted somewhere, but then the money issue comes back into the picture, so I will drop that point.

As far as club events go, I think the calendar idea is good, and if people want to get something solid going, we could organize a monthly meet. I think it would work if we set a meeting place (parking lot of a mall, or a restaurant. Once we all meet up, we could do a little ride, then all cruise university at the same time and end up at firestone. If we were to meet at a restaurant, it would work year round, cause then we would have a place to meet indoors, and could just catch a quick bite to eat. I also don't think this would be very hard for money issues, McDonald's or Burger King would work, so saving $4.00 for dinner one night a month shouldn't be too hard, but I won't speak for other people here.

Continuing with events, there maybe aren't that many events that we schedule, but there are events to go to. I think that in the events forum there should be a stickied thread for each new event coming up. When I talk about this, I am thinking of such events as the Mazda Rev it Up event, or the Mercedes event. These don't necessarily pertain to Subaru's, but they are fun events to go to, especially the Mazda event. I'm sure there are more just like this, but these are the only ones I can think of right now.

Back to the issues of "forum looks", we really can't spiff up the forums too much without losing the database of user's and posts, so we are kind of stuck in that respect. I do think that the items in the header either need to be filled or removed. Everyonce in a while I check there in hopes to see the "links" section filled, or the "club events" section filled. I could care less if it was just a plain text link on a blank white page, it would be information that I don't have.

In regards to getting discounts or business support, that is a good idea, but it also brings up the issue of money again. I think that the group buy's in the buy/sell section give adequate time to prepare for funds, but get lost easily among the other threads and should be stickied just like the upcoming events.

Not to call anyone out here, but I know that readymix_wrx is a new member here from San Diego, CA. Being from a larger population in general, and most likely a larger population of subaru drivers/club members, I think any input from him or others like him would be good to get perspective on how other clubs work.

That is all.

 

I'm also part of a sportbike group which has ~600 members(it was more than 1500, but they started weeding out the inactives).

So, what do they do? They have ad-hoc rides every week or so during the riding season(2-5 people usually show) and organized rides every month(10-30 show). They have Monthly meets the last Wednesday of the month at the same place every time(ok, it changes for winter)(15-100 show), and they do a couple trackdays(~60 including volunteer staff).

My point? This group is 1/2 the size(arguably smaller) and wants to do more. I feel the club isn't big enough to do alot, so lets start small. Lets try Firestone 1x month during the summer(feel free to go more often, but dedicate 1 day/month to be the meet day). If events are every week, the attendance is spread out over the events, so instead of ~20 members showing up at once, 3-5 show up over 4 and you wonder why more people aren't showing up.

The sportbike group has a calander and every member has access to it to add events, works great for both long term and ad-hoc events.

Store discounts? This is a SMALL group, we're lucky stores even spit at us. The only discount the sportbike group gets is 10% off at a repair shop.

Trackdays? HAH!, We're lucky to get 5 Subi's at the cheapest trackdays, how are we going to get 20+ (not including staff)to go? Forget it, utilize other(Audi, AARRF, Corvette) clubs for this, at least for now.

I'm all for moving forward, but lets not kill ourselves. Be realistic what we can do with our member base.

In summation: 1x meeting a month during warm season, calander, call it good.

Oh, and I agree with others, we need to flesh out the website(not make it fancy, just make it complete). Can a self submission tool be set up under that heading so one person doens't have to compile everything?

 

This may not belong here, but anyways. I did look up the forum mod for a calender with reocuring event dates. I don't know who is the admin but here is the mod for snitz to add a callender.

http://www.snitzbitz.com/mods/details.asp?Version=All&mid=66

 

-slightly off topic-

thats kinda pesimistic to give 10% off at a REPAIR shop. its just like assuming your gonna crash.

is there away on the calendar to add an RSVP thing. so if youknow FOR SURE that you can go you can just RSVP on teh calendar. it might make it easier for the organizer to see whos going with out weeding through posts.

 

Compiled list: (please do let me know if I need to add anything else that may have been missed)

Forum:
· Make announcement / events / group buy stickies (Jordan?)
· Stay on topic (mods job)
· Add Moderator (done)

Event:
· A weekly meet
· A bi-weekly meet
· A once a month meet and greet
· Involve our club with other club for event
· More events

Business/Discount/Improvement to the site and club:
· Business contact for discount*
· *Add local shop info and section them out to tires, tuning, body shop, parts etc…
· A business card like where we can give them out to recruit more Subaru members
· A new front end layout for the website
· Keep site simple
· Add MNDot traffic map like in MnAudi (Jordan?)
· More club exposure through banner, t-shirts, hats sporting club name and site logo.
· Need leaders to (voluntarily) lead the club
· Wider association with Subaru dealers for discount purpose (win situation both ways, dealers just so happen to win more)
· Sponsorship and advertisement on web site (not gonna happen)
· Donation/Membership fee (not gonna happen)

 

I still need a vector copy of the club logo...

We need a tagline. Someone give me a good tagline for the club.

 

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I still need a vector copy of the club logo...

We need a tagline. Someone give me a good tagline for the club.
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Garrett, you may need to ask Todd or someone who has the logo. Might be better if you msg. him. I hope you'll get a quicker reply as I have not

 

I haven't posted that much because I am more of a reader. I guess I joined primarily to read and learn about my car (since the STi is new and haven't been on US shore very long). I also use the forum to get info on installs, and get in on group buys etc.

There may be a lot of members that fit the description above. This is probably why you have a lot of members not participating. I would love to come out to the meets but sometimes the location and times are not ideal.

The site is fine IMO. I can easily find the forum and read through the topics without having to filter thru unnecessary graphics, ad pop ups, and annoying sound effects.

 

RexN, thank you for your contribution. One person can make a difference so your opinion is greatly appreaciated.

 

I setup events often; yall should start SHOWING UP I've been to several other events posted here that other ppl setup. To me that's what this is about; getting together and DOING Subarus... not sitting on some forum and TALKING about Subarus

The forums are great; don't get me wrong. I like talking here and discussing things. But the website isnt the club; members and events are what a club is about to me.

Another thing is the formalities of a real club. To me this really has none and therefore really doesnt FEEL like a club. I signed up for some forum on a website; didn't know I was joining a club :I True clubs have a Mission/Manifest, Application and Approval Proccess, Schedueled Meetings, a President / Vice / Officers.... while this club MAY have those... how would we know? I click on "About Us" and get nothing.... I click on "Club Events" and again just a blank page. This is a great START but where is it going? Who's driving this train? (thats where the PRes and Officers come in....)

To get an idea on how formal Clubs and Associations work I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend attending a Minnesota 4 Wheel Drive Association general assembly meeting. http://mn4wda.com/ I go to most of them so lemme know if you dont wanna go alone

I guess my bottom line is that it's not really a club. If you wanna make it a club then MAKE it one. Otherwise it's fine the way it is, an online forum where local MN people can enjoy Subarus together.

Peace.

 

I can be a moderator. All I do in school is read forums and play on the web. Todd, I'm guessing you didn't see my other post. I need an alignment done in January, maybe if you have a meet I can schedule it then?

 

Todd, bikerboy and WRX1 are mod, if you'd like to add anyone else, feel free to do so.

 

Ok, I have an up pipe that is just sitting in my garage waiting to be installed. So we already have two garage nights for january. Lets start the new year off on the right foot.

 

The templates on the group site were in Word *shudder*
Fortunately once upon a time someone did make the logo in vector format so I was able to extract an EPS out of the Word template. Here are a couple ideas I rolled off quick. I need some other ideas for taglines or text on the card if you can come up with better wording. I also added a line for us to sign our screen name to so that it could add a personal touch to the card. That way when someone decides to join they can look up the person who carded their car. Colors are all Subaru official (the red is Cherry Red from the STi logo standards).

You may need Acrobat 6 to view these.
http://www.4wheelracing.com/media/proofs.pdf