PS, this entire thread probably wasnt a good idea, but nonetheless, being discriminated for anything is frusterating. Wanting to be considered a car enthusiast and be recognized for who you really are regardless of your financial situation should be something our club can deal with. Like I've said, will's a good guy, loves subarus and the club, has spent a LOT of time investing and bettering it, and EVERYONE who has met him has liked him, (and now are turning on him because of a misconstrued post.) I think its a crock of bull.
Jeebus frist Oh noes, your family's rich. This is no way makes you unique. There are millions of children around the world with this "problem" , and hundreds of millions who'd love to have this "problem." All that matters is that at the end of the day you're more like Bill Gates (not the monopolistic predatory business practice bit, the being a productive member of society bit) than Paris Hilton. That said if you're constantly being put down for being a rich kid (this does not mean jokes and such), its likely because you both constantly remind people of your family's wealth (this isn't always conscious, things like starting this thread doesn't help) and doing something else to piss them off (aka acting like Paris Hilton). Now maybe I'm wrong. I don't know if I've met you (I'm bad at putting faces to forum names). But if you're a decent guy and people give you **** about it, you're hanging around with the wrong people.
I've met him a couple time at firestone and elsewhere. I don't think this turned into a bash Will thread at all... If from this i can conduce he hasn't been affected by what his parents buy him because it seems like they also gave him a understanding of money. Yes, His first post did seem a little off but i doubt thats how he wanted it to seem. Doubt that he wanted it to come across like that. I'm with 02blubru this club doesn't need this thread. *lock* *delete*
I really doubt that, since an intelligent/level headed person would not start a thread like this, or you're seriously underestimating average intelligence of people here. And did you meet all the club members to judge? Now if you would've said '90% of people I've met', that I could believe though :biggrin: So no 90% does not sound right, except for the possibility of him posting after some real early St.Patrick's day action.
I knew Will is from money for a while. It was obvious to me. But it doesn't matter. I'm not one to judge based on someone's income or parents, as I know a lot of people with pretty serious bank rolls. It can go either way as far as them being a d-bag about it. Will seemed pretty cool the other day when I stopped by. No worries. But seriously, this thread was a really bad idea. Thicker skin is DEFINITELY needed in this instance. Will, how much were you picked on when you we younger? A lot? Not at all? Cripes, I used to get picked on for my last name, being a competitive swimmer for a couple summers, among other things. This stuff you say in your first post is small potatoes. When I moved down here(Mankato) I had to deal with people assuming I was from money since I do have a lot into my car. It is annoying, but not that bad in reality. I'm just trying to offer some advice, not be a ****. If you want to survive in the business world, this kind of stuff cannot bother you. If you think people talk behind your back, just wait.
Will is a great guy in person and on here but like some others I also don't see the point of the OP. I couldn't care less where he gets his money as long as when I hang out with him I don't feel like he is rubbing what he has in my face.
Maybe he just needed a place to rant. I can relate to how hopeless life can feel at times, and how offensive something trivial can feel. usually it doesn't matter in the long run ... but I've done my share of ranting and raving that sounds just like the OP... it may not be about the same thing, but it's just pure anger. It happens. We're all human.
unless that is why you 2 are hanging out in the first place yeah Will making this thread pretty much opened the proverbial can of worms and judgement regardless whether you personally have warranted it with how you act or not... I hope to meet you one day.. I have given you enough crap... like I said if Jack calls you among one of his closest friends you are ok in my book... and I have met Jack twice!!! (I respect him a lot)
Will is a good guy. I don't judge people by their financial situation. I judge people by their character (also by how well they create coherent posts on internet forums).
Screw that, he made his bed... now he can sleep in it. Another one of those lessons rich kids have a hard time learning. I call BS on the jealousy thing. Rich kids cry foul on people who have less means them by saying it's just jealousy or envy to somehow convince themselves that their critics are less humane than they really are. Fact of the matter is people who are given everything they own instead of earning it are absolutely less well rounded individuals. Now, if the OP spent his entire teenage/20's driving around a crappy rusted out 90's era civic like the rest of us people who had to earn everything we have, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Parents are just giving him a good start up. Some parents can give their kids this ability some cant and some dont want. Another thing is that in US people are very individualistic and most think that they will get their kids through high school and then they are on their own. They will not pay for food, clothing, and a lot of times college. Its completely different in most other cultures, where parents take care of you until you can live completely on your own. However later you will have to take care of your parents when they get old. This is one of the reasons why in US so many old people are living in old folk’s homes and not with their parents. To be honest relationship between some parents and their kids here in US is like business relations. I think it’s terrible to tell your kids that they will have to pay you back for loans or something like that. In my family my money is my parents’ money and their money is my money. And the relationship is based on trust. They know I am not going to overspend their money on unnecessary crap. I know its very similar in Asian cultures as well.
Wow. I must point out that the internet sure does add a layer of anonymity that allows people to communicate in a way that they would not in person. I've never been a member of any other forums so I can't compare, but damn, there's a lot of drama here. I suppose that's what makes life, and reality TV, interesting. Will is obviously young and needed to vent a little. Those of you that attacked him back must be his age too. I can't imagine he got what he wanted from this thread, but maybe what he needed. Leaving money outside of the discussion, I know the feeling of trying to part of "the" group. It's hard to just let your actions speak louder than their words. But you learn as you go along.
Did you even read the OP? Telling people to get off their lazy jealous asses... Get that crap out of here. And did you see what I actually said? I said, rich kids need to get more well rounded and earn what they have for themselves... that wasn't even directed at the OP in a personal way. It's universal.
LOL, I'll give you that. Speaking your mind usually gets you labeled as an opinionated *******. When in reality, you just stand out because you say what is actually on your mind without the 'sugar coated filter' on.
Will, I can relate, try not to let them get to you. YOU know how hard your parents worked to give you what they wanted you to have. A lot of members here like you for who you are and most of us are mature enough to leave money out of the picture. You a very sweet guy, and some of us do know that you appreciate everything you have been given. People will judge and it's up to you to be yourself, eventually they will judge off who you are and not what you have.
Nothing personal. This isn't directed at you or the OP. Just in general: People don't give a damn how hard a persons parents worked. That has f'all to do with any judgment of character. I want to know how hard you had to work to get where you are. That's where respect is gained.
I'm not talking to you. I'm telling him, because he is the one appreciating the things he has and he shouldn't let **** like this upset him. He does happen to work very hard too.
Am I jealous that he had his life handed to him on a silver platter?? Hell ya. and if anyone tells you anything different they are full of BS. But the other side of the coin is that my parents made ME buy a car. Made ME pay for the insurance (and not under THEIR policy). It had to have my OWN policy. I had to pay for my gas. I had to pay for my repairs. That is why I didn't get a DL until I was 19. I didn't get a free ride to college, the classes that I took, I paid for them. Hell, to this very day, my parents have never even giving me the money for a tank of gas. So at this stage of my life, I could never repay my parents for making me earn what I have. The pride that I have for knowing that everything I have is because I worked my ass off to get, is FAR FAR greater than being jealous of someone elses life being handed to them on a silver platter. As for this thread being closed, if he wants it closed, he can say something. Will opened this can of worms, and if he gets this worked up about a couple of people snickering at him, he will have bigger issues to worry about later in life. Russ
Who gives a s*** if a bunch of guys (and girls!) on a car forum respect you anyways? A lot of the drama on MNSC started this way for me. A bunch of morons started in with personal attacks and I let myself get drawn into it. If I learned 1 thing from that whole ordeal its this: You cant go through life looking for respect. It's a bunch of people on a car forum....who cares if they snicker and sneer at your new STi or whatever. If you go looking for respect from people like that......your parents didn't raise you as well as you think. I can sympathize....I honestly can, but for real man....stop trying to live up to other peoples standards of what is "respectable" and what isnt....they dont have a ****ing clue. They may think their view of whats respectable or not is the right one...but the truth is, its skewed by their experiences in life just like your views are. There is no unbiased opinion on this issue. So I say again.....live your life and stop looking for acceptance based on others peoples standards....it wont happen.
Will is a good kid, and probably shouldn't have started a thread with a topic such as this one. Yes, he has changed his mind on a few vehicles in the present past, but I can think of others who have done the same thing. Either way, wealth is something that some are comfortable about, and others are not. It shouldn't really be flaunted or griped about, or whoever posts it WILL BE FLAMED! Lock/Delete the thread is the best idea.
i vote a:lockd: because there is alot of very good information being supported in this thread having to do with both sides of the table. and sense this is a forum site if another kid comes on here he can do a search and find out all the pros and cons of posting a vent or rant about this type of topic.
:naughty: keep on keeping on :banana: dance to the beat :run: super freak out :cheers2: have some beerz :iconpolice: and GTFO of this thread :biggrin: :yarly:
no, kill the thread!:laugh:haha I actually got nothing but compliments from people that have met me, and nothing but judgements from those who haven't...I understand we all judge at times, and thats fine, but don't call me a whiny brat unless you know me...if you meet me and still think that then call me what you will!
