Rough tune pull

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  1. piddster
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    My tune right now is crap. It spooled to about 20psi and tapered down from there. Thats why my HP pretty much falls on its face. Before Chuck closed my IWG flapper, I was spooling to about 27-28psi and tapering down to about 22psi, using all of my 650cc injectors. I know there is a lot more on the table than this shows. Maybe I'll go over to RS and spend some quality time on Ronnie's mustang in the near future.


    I'm surprised how quick the power comes in with the torque. The fuel is pretty rough too.

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  2. SubieDave
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    What car? turbo? em?
     
  3. tbone
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    crap or not crap....but you still making some GOOD numbers tho....i guess it's worth a trip down there....
     
  4. wrexinator03
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    yeah whats the set up??? thats about my goals for the car
     
  5. AWDimprezaL
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    ej22t, forged internals, GT30R, 6 speed, old school leggy and i think he is using link
     
  6. SubieDave
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    Shouldn't the number be higher with a gt30? I suppose thats why you call it a rough tune
     
  7. Paul Revere
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    Rough tune!
     
  8. piddster
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    Its a 22T longblock, with hotter cams, and a decent rotating assembly. Also, the turbo is kind of a bastard child, meaning its pretty much a 3071R, except the exhaust wheel is 2.7mm smaller with the largest possible exhaust housing(.86). EM is a Link Plus G2, Zeitronix, much more but I don't feel like typing it all out. Search May COM.


    I know there is much more torque in there, and the power won't drop so bad between 4500 and 6800RPM, which was almost a 100hp. She'll take more boost, but we'll see how bad these heads really choke out up top next time. I've got work to do, and I can finally log my ECU and my wideband/EGT at the same time, which will greatly speed up the process.

    Also, it seems it was uncorrected, which I'm not exactly sure what that means.
     
  9. Bullwinkle
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    Yeah, if you can get that boost/torque to stay on, you'll make a ton more HP.

    Uncorrected means no SAE corrections. I'm pretty sure P&L does all of their dyno graphs like that.
     
  10. Dynapar
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    Those are some pretty impressive numbers for using the EJ22T heads. Are you planning on changing to a better flowing head in the future?
     
  11. Grayguy
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    I'm pretty confident that he is working on getting some good DOHC heads...at least that was my impression when he kept saying he was going to steal mine.

    Still considering the rough tune and those heads, I'd be happy with those numbers. Esp since there is a lot more potential there.
     
  12. Scuba Steve
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    Damn...you are on the right track. Even though it didnt work with Jorge you still have to be happy that you've made it this far with the car & build.

    I say congrats on another step forward!:biggthumpup:
     
  13. piddster
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    With this turbo, there is a huge difference between 15 and 20psi. As in it doesn't come to life untill that kind of pressure ratio, with these heads. Which leads me to ...


    Yes, somewhat. Nice heads are in my future. I'm being picky though. I want '97-98 DOHC heads though. The '96 set had HLA's, so no thanks. Nice valves and springs can be had for the Phase I DOHC heads, so I don't want to put some on without going through them in that respect. Along with higher flowing, higher reving heads should be a higher flowing turbo. With my current pipe set, I cannot fit a set of DOHC heads leaving room for the fuel injector rails and what not. If I'm going to re-do the uppipe and downpipe, again, it may as well be with a larger turbo that flows well up top.


    I dunno, we'll see what happens. I just want to get what I can out of this setup before I go looking for more juice. I want to play with E85 though. I might have to order up a set of 1000cc SR20 injectors :biggrin:
     
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    I appreciate it. There's still plenty of work to be done, so stay tuned. I've always had a twisted notion to see what I could do with this longblock before stepping up to big-dog territory. :rockwoot:
     
  15. HoLsTeR
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    i noticed that you got those numbers from a dynojet. i know that mustangs seem to read lower numbers....what do you think youd pull on the mustang dyno with the same conditions?
     
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    No idea. I'm sure a certain percentage lower. Its pretty much impossible to compare dynos. All I can do is show a before and after on the same dyno.
     
  17. dipp
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    those 22T heads are killing you ditch em'
     
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    All that really matters here is the comaprison between the hp and torque. I'm just trying to show how the motor fell on its face without the turbo being in an optimal pressure ratio. The heads being similar to trying to blow through a straw should shed some light on the situation.
     
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    I want to really bad. I just need the loot. If I get rid of the 22T heads, I need at least a 35R to make use of them. Right?? Thats how I look at the situtation. :naughty:
     
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    wow, you surpassed what I thought those heads could handle..... I'd love to see the dual cam NA heads with the same setup.
     
  21. Ej22TIM
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    DIBS ON YOUR TURBO lol, im pretty stoked to see what my car will do on the rollers. I am planning on seeing what I can squeeze out of a td04 for now tho ;)

    very nice numbers! I couldnt see the graph at work (ghey no pics or vids) or I would have commented sooner, I am very impressed/jealous lol

    I would be interested in going down to visit jorge sometime this summer if you are going again.

    T-LEG MAFIA!
     
  22. Chux
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    those are some impressive numbers. obviously much more power to be had once you get the tune dialed in.

    nice work!






    huh, for some reason I thought you were running a Link plus G1.....not a G2. good to know.
     
  23. Grayguy
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    I am doing the same thing. I just happen to have the heads he wants (conveniently on my car when i broke it the first time) and after seeing that wall of tvs made awesome torque on corngas, I might be heading down that road before I can afford the big turbo/tranny setup I eventually want.
     
  24. piddster
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    I'll be on Ronnie's Mustang Friday morning. We'll see what happens.
     
  25. Ej22TIM
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    what heads are you running? I am running JDM ej20g heads and intake w/ the 20g 440cc injectors, but I will be running on the stock ecu for a wile, just long enough to break it in.
     
  26. Grayguy
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    I have the phase 1 DOHC heads off my 2.5gt. 810cc Deatschwerks SR20 injectors (stole that from Piddster's play book), Link LEM G3.

    Springs almost here, so I should be going back to my real job soon and making the kinda $$$ i need to rebuild my motor and get the damn thing on the road again. I've owned it for just about a year now, and it's been in a non-drivable state for 11months of that.
     
  27. piddster
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    Well, spent some time on Ronnie's dyno on Saturday. I was having ignition issues so we couldn't really go anywhere. My plugs might be junk, or it could be the wires, or maybe my coilpack is getting weak. I dunno. I'll have to dig into it.

    The good news is with a little bump in timing at about 14psi and I was at or above stock STi power.
     
  28. Grayguy
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    If your getting new stuff, you might as well go ahead and get an MSD coil pack. I'm going to eventually.
     
  29. piddster
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    I possibly could, but then I'd need to put different ends o nthe plug wires. Also, the resistance values of the coil are a fair amount off, which could cause some havoc with the ignitor. I might just stick with the Diamond coil pack. If plugs and wires do not take care of the issue, a coil pack and ignitor might be in order.


    3ric, what the damage for a (with discount) for a '93 Legacy N/A manual tranny coil pack? I talked to Dan and he taold me $110 in stock, but Ididn't mention mnsubaru.
     
  30. ArcticWolf
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    Just about every shop does (if they don't, they should) this ... SAE corrections are for NA cars (difference in air pressure/density between the rockies and death valley, etc) ... forced induction makes it a non-issue.

    Just for info's sake.
     
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    I agree, however, SAE correction takes into a much more then just air pressure.

    For example, ambient air temperature and relative humidity also have huge effects on measured WTQ/WHP.
     
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    Well, you've got me there.

    Still, though, far as I know... its recommended to leave it uncorrected for FI cars.
     
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    IDK i am not there today stomach problems ftl , but i bet i have one i'll sell you for $10
     
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    I have one also if you dont get it from Erickj
     
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    Are they t3h Diam0ndz? If so, I may need to beg, borrow, buy, or steal one. I'm thinking plugs and wires should take care of it, but it'd be nice to have another on hand.

    Also, do ignitors go bad very often?
     
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    I have a spare if igniter if you want to try it, changing mine had no appreciable affect. I think its one of those works or doesnt work things. I believe i have 1 maybe two diamonds, a few month old NAPA replacement pack and my stock turbo (hitachi?) pack
     
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    igniters hardly ever go bad