Alright so im looking for a little more out of my car. Right now im Cobb Stage 2 with Buschur TBE. What do people suggest to put me around 300 whp. Some say use VF34, now as an example what else would i need. Walbro Fuel Pump, Pinks, what about uppipe, intercooler (would STI work?)
Walbro Fuel Pump, injectors, u should be fine...since u already have the stg2 setup I would still recommend protune...afterwards
I am about to go to the next step myself besides the turbo I am planning on getting a fuel pump, injectors, and a new inter cooler is a must have. Im lovin the top mount APS right now. oh yea BIGGER BRAKES lol
Agreed. I think I might be able to read 300AWHP if I went to the right dyno. Besides dyno results are all relative anyway. Use them as a tool to see if what you are doing is moving the power in the right direction. And as Readymix always says/asks..... what do you want to do with the car? What are your goals? Me I wanted as much power as I could get without sacrificing spool. I have what I think is a very powerful car but spools mad fast. Yes there are a lot of cars with more power but they also spool much slower. That is not what I wanted.... all trade offs. I found out this weekend that my car is pretty much the perfect autocross setup. Need more suspension but enigne is pretty much set. Not sure what direction you are wanting to go.
18G, external waste gate, modded injectors, fuel pump, intercooler. I think you could hit 300 whp on any dyno
I am looking for something that can get up and go. And to be honest i love the power i get now but its just knowing that there could be more thats driving me. My bro has and SRT-4 that pulls like a beast so he always has me wanting more. Without say much else, i have some money but i dont want to pour a crap load into it either.
I also dont mind going to used items that i know are in good condition, and thats why im asking about the STI IC.
Im thinkin about doin the same setup in my car... i would go vf39 pinks and an sti top mount... then a protune and you will love the results.. and at the same time... theres always room to go bigger... enjoy your car and dont over do it!!
Just to let you know, pinks are a waste of money. Almost any of the vf series turbo's will max them out. Pinks on a 18g is like putting on a 2 inch exhaust. As far as I am concerned, pinks are only good for the stock turbo, which needs more fuel to maximize it's output. Russ
I have the injector duty cycles for the vf39 on 565cc versus 816cc. There is a huge difference. Maybe read this.... http://www.mnsubaru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13453 Towards the end is where you can see the IDC graphs. WRX1 is correct that you WILL max out 565cc injectors with even a vf39.
Get whatever turbo you can afford. A 16g would be my choice on a 2.0l car. Get an STi top-mount. Have Russ make you some 700-800cc modded injectors. Switching to E85 helps a bunch if you can swing that, too. Do you have an uppipe already? Why were you asking about that?
No i dont have an uppipe... cause if im gunna do this i want to make sure i do it right with all the supporting mods
No most all turbos that mount in the stock location have an internal gate. You just get more exhaust flow with an external gate.
300 will be tough in your 2.0 if your going to keep it moderately drivable and on pump gas. Check out my setup and dyno results from a recent tune at DB.... http://www.mnsubaru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16033 Also, don't depend on this being an inexpensive upgrade. I ended up spending way more money than I thought I needed to after it was all said and done.
18g headers, ext wastegate, injectors, fuel pump, boost control, big ass tmic, reflash.... you wont hit 300 on a mustang, but it will be a fast, streetable car.
Start by buying those 850cc modded injectors bikerboy has for sale. You can go from 13-14 psi at redline with stock injectors to 16-17 psi with big injectors on pump gas.
Ok... so looking at the turbos. Can someone help me with compairison of prices vs capability (18g, 16g, VF39, VF34 and any other opinions).... Like i said i have some money to play with but i also dont want to throw money at something that ill only get 10-15whp more.
DB16g monster port or the evo3 16g. the slower spool of the 18 vs the power of the 16 makes the 18 not worth it. Any vf turbo will suck. When you run a vr turbo to 19-20psi, they are running out of steam. Try to make a 110 map and bump the boost on a vf turbo and you don't get much. Run any of the mitshu turbos and at 19-20 psi they are just getting into the efficiency range. Wanna run a 110 map at 26psi, the mitshu turbo's will still keep pumping out the power. So if you are only looking to do the basic pump gas map and wanna go cheap, the vf30/34/39 is the way to go. If you are looking to get a 110 map and make some good power, go with the 16/18/20g turbo's. Russ
I've found that if you take whatever you think your build is gonna cost, then double it, you'll be in the ballpark. Trust me.
Well i was thinking somewhere in between 1500-2000... hopefully stayin closer to the 15. So it seems as though many of u think the 16g would be a better way to go... O and yes i will be running 93 or at least most of the time.
where do u guys get most of you supplies??? just so i can start planning out how much debt im gunna put myself into.
Here is a quick price out of my set up Used VF39 $220 Shipped Modded stock injectors $120 Ported TGV's Did my self SSAC FMIC $340 Ebay tubo inlet $120 Ebay TBE with up pipe $330 Exhaust Gaskets $60 Tunning $380 So I have about 1600 bucks in my car and it puts down 266 whp. And you said you already have exhaust. So you can knock that money out of the budget. Also my car is 100 percent daily driven. Gets good gas milage too.
Ok... so i have more questions. I was looking at Importimageracing and pricing. First of all what the difference between the 16g and Evo III 16g? And they have those combo deals for 1200 and 1400, is that a reasonable price or is it easy to get cheaper but reliable stuff?
Yes. The evo3 and the DB monster port 16g flow almost the same cfm as a 18g (550-575 big 16g vs 600 on the 18g). The spool on the 16 will be a couple of hundred rpm sooner than the 18g. Just a FYI, the big VF series turbo's are in the mid 450's for cfm flow. There is a stickied cfm chart in this forum. Russ
i just remembered, there are some hogged out ihi units out there with a 16g cartridge crammed in, i'd stay clear of those.... anyone have an idea what the power capability diffrence is between an evo3/super 16g td05 vs a td06 16g? i looked and didn't really find anything.
tD05h is what you want on the 2.0. the td06 is more for the 2.5L. It will still work on 2.0, but you will have some more lag, but a bit better top end. Not really worth it unless you are building a from-roll machine. And at the point in time you might as well go with the 20g and the 8cm hotside. russ
