07 Outback XT stage 2 tune-Jordan at MAP

Vehicle: Outback XT
Trans: manual
turbo: stock VF46
clutch: stock
fuel: stock

Modifications:
-ERZ bell mouth catted downpipe
-stock mid and Y pipes
-AVO rear Outback Mufflers
-ERZ CNT FMIC
-K&N Typhoon intake
-Grimmspeed EBCS
-stock bov
-Cobb Access Port

Goal: 240hp @18lbs of boost

I went into this tune expecting to make 220-230 hp on a stage 2 tune. Other Legacy's with similar setup was making around 230-250hp. With my current Cobb off the self stage 2 maps, there were little hiccups here in there and power wasn't smooth.

I sent a list of my small modification list and a picture to Charlie (Jordans PR). Jordan recommended me to get rid of my HKS full atmosphere BOV or he wouldn't tune the Outback. The one thing I love about Jordan was how truthful and blunt he is. If there is something wrong, something he knows that wouldn't work, or something that was installed half ass, Jordan would let you know. If your the type of person who can't take critisism about your car, Jordan is the wrong tuner for you. If you have questions, Jordan has answers.

I chose to stay with my Cobb AP and was looking specifically for a Cobb tuner. My cousin Charlie Moua recommended me to tune with Jordan. Jordan explained that he is a Pro tuner for Cobb. I was sure I made the right choice to bring the Outback to him.

Once the Outback was strapped, Jordan stayed focused and continued to dail in the Outback.

First pull was pretty surprising at 271hp 28Xtq.

Through out the evening, the Outback only got better.



Tuning went pretty smooth the first half but we eventually ran into some problems. The car threw a throttle code which wouldn't let you accelerate. Then the car wasn't holding boost and Jordan had problem shoot it before we could start the tune the second half. Jordan did a pressure test and found out that I had a bunch of air leak from my pipings. First inital thought was I over tighten the cupplings and bent the aluminum pipes. But it was the other way around. I didn't tighten them down tight enough.

I told Jordan that I wanted to tune for 18lbs. Jordan recommened 20lbs. But my waste gate couldn't hold more then 16lbs.

Jordan remained focused and patient while dealing with the Outback. The tune took 18-20 pulls. Since the Outback had SI drive, Jordan tuned on all 3 modes to make sure the Outback was running correctly. Jordan also stands behind his work and stated that if anything goes wrong with the Outback or if I threw any codes, bring it back to him and he'll take care of it and smooth it out. Once Jordan believed that the Outback was at a safe peak, the Outback was ready to be released to me.

the final results was 284 hp, 301 torque @15.75 lbs of boost. I was pretty impressed since it was above my expectations.

On the way home I did a few freeway pulls with the Outback. The power band was smooth and power came on where it was needed. I must say my overall experience with Jordan was quite a positive one. If you're looking for a tuner who could meet your needs and get you the power goals that you want, I would highly recommend Jordan as a tuner. With his 15+ years of tuning with all makes and models, Jordan holds some unexplainable knowledge of how the tuning world works.

If you would like a quote or get intouch with him, check out his website at www.JordanTuned.com, or let me know. He is the man for Tuning.

The MAP staff was welcoming and friendly to talk to. I also want to thank Chris & MAP for the flexible dyno scheduling and getting me in for my tune.




Photo's from my tune:







Jordan also took me on a tour of MAP's facility:

 

Sweet looking numbers Kong.

 

Nice numbers for stock turbo.

 

Was it tuned with the bumper on or off?

 

Dude - your bumper cover is gone.

 

Awesome numbers!! Congrats on having a bad ass wagon!!

 

Thanks guys.

It was tuned with the bumper on but ran into some boost leak towards the end. Took the bumper off to tighten down the couplings.

Jordan did 4-5 more pulls with the bumper off to tweak out anything that was missed.

I think at one point the car made more power and torque with the bumper cover on but the turbo was forcing itself to keep up with the boost. Once we fixed the leak, power level was smooth and easier to tune on.

Numbers doesn't mean much to me except a reference point. We'll see how well it performs at the Rock this year.

This was with the NF crew last year during the speeding bullet 10.6 run.


We'll see if I can beat that time this year.

 

Nice #'s but remember its on a Dynojet, Which is around 15% higher than actual numbers.

Your wagon should be right around 245whp on an mustang dyno like my stg2 lgt(pretty much stock)

So did it run 13.99 stock?

Let me know when you're going back to the track, I'll like to come watch it run

 

It was on stage 2 92/93 Cobb OTS map.

 

Shouldn't stg2 be around 13.1-13.6?

Whens the next time you'll run it?

Whats all thats needed to run mine on the track besides a helmet?

 

all you need is a approved helmet. We should run together.

It was harder to launch the OB then my old WRX. will try to use launch control next time.

They should be able to run a 13.8-14.0 1/4 mile. Our trannies are POS for 1/4.

 

Let me know when you're going, I'll see if I can get an helmet.

Won't launch it too hard as I need to be able to come home too

I'll shoot for 13.8 for mild/2500 rpm launch

 

Probably going to the one in July.

I was launching at 4500. Will probably try 3500 this time.

Are you also on stage 2?

 

Yeah, stage 2 here too on stock turbo and intercooler etc. 243whp/285tq at rs motors

Will try to get a helmet, if not I'll just watch

 

lets run........ lol good number man.

 

We should all roll out together

 

I would have someone else take a look at your map, the curve looks pretty jumpy just to be safe....Just my .02.you can never be too safe when it comes to a stock internal'd 2.5.

 

I was recommended by my Cousin to him. He was also a pro tuner for Cobb which is what I wanted to stay with.

My outcome with Jordan is a positive one. But he is not associated to MAP. He is a contractor to tune cars at MAP.

From my knowledge of talking with him, he doesn't build motor's. MAP build motors and all he does is tune cars.

 

He may tune hondas and DSMs like nobody's business, but a Subaru isn't something to mess around with, I hear he uses lots of timing, which is bad news..... Have it checked by Nuke or Ron.

 

Most deff...

I can also ask him if he uses a lot of timing on his tune. I'm sure he has nothing to hide.

 

I'll have some of the other tuners look at it.

So what does the graph tell you guys? Is there something that I need to see to know its off?

 

If your heading out to rockfalls soon you should post up when your going. Id love to come out and watch or possibly race.

 

I'll create a thread about a group caravan down.

 

It's probably due to the internal wastegate and 3-port EBCS. My stock turbo plot from MAP looked pretty similar.

You can't really tell if anything is wrong from the plot itself. You'd really need to pull a log and/or the map and have it looked at.

 

Thanks guy.

This is why I love this group. We're always looking out for one another.

I'll ask Nuke to look at a log.

 

Also consider that all dyno's (road and otherwise) can have the smoothing changed to look like whatever you want. On the road dyno's it's common to see uber-smooth plots like that.

Need to pull a log to know if anything is of concern. Glad you had a good experience. I hope the tune stands up to a second set of eyes.

EDIT: Sheen beat me to it.

 

Can I do that myself with my AP.

Just do a log and do a pull on 3rd or 4th gear?

 

Yeah, you could pull a log yourself if you'd like. Something like this would be a good start:

A/F Correction 1 (%)
A/F Learning 1 (%)
A/F Sens 1 Ratio (AFR)
Boost (PSI)
Calculated Load
Dyn. Adv. Mult (DAM)
Feedback Knock ()
Fine Knock Learn ()
Ignition Timing ()
Inj. Duty Cycle (%)
MAF (g/s)
RPM (RPM)
Throttle Pos. (%)
Vehicle Speed (mph)
Wastegate Duty (%)

You'd have to get a tuner to look at it though.

 

Thanks Ben.

 

Lol really?
All im saying is, you should of dome your homework first. If you trust your tuner, then run with it.

I've gotten enough phone calls/email/text/pm's from many folks on here. Most are concerned about their car AFTER they've had their cars tuned.

Sure I can help but really?

Talk to your tuner first.

 

I trust him... Jordan is good at what he was does

My other family members on here wanted a second opinion....

Your tuner will be your best friend.

 

You can post a log of your car on here.

BTW, do you have a wideband to measure your afr?
That would help the log.

Your last sentence, lol...Even I wouldn't say that

 

Will do. I don't have a wideband.

Only speaking the truth. Don't you want to be BFF's.

 

Realistic Kong, most of them smile because their pockets just got fat. Make them fatter and they'll be your friend.
Let's get back to your car.

BTW, numbers look nice. IMO, looks like it used quite some ignition advance due to the level of boost.
It's a subaru, they love ignition advance, sometimes.

 

Thanks bro... its only numbers. I only used them as a reference point. I want to be able to improve from my 1/4 time. Only then will I know if my tune meant anything.

 

Yesterday evening for some odd reason I was having hesitation problems while accelerating from a dead stop on 1st gear and boost wasn't consistant. I contacted Charlie to let Jordan know what was going on. It was a little after 9pm and Jordan and Charlie came through and help diagnose the problem. Jordan explained what it could possibly be so we could start looking for the problem. Found out the end piece from my throttle body hose where the clamp is ripped off. It was a defective part.

Tighten down the throttle body hose and hesitation is gone and boost is normal.

Jordan is going to look at the Outback again to make sure nothing is wrong.

Knowing that your Tuner will come through and help solve a problem and will take a look at your vehicle to make sure it is still running correctly is good in my book. There isn't many Tuners out there that will answer their phones after buisness hours.

 

Does this have the same throttle body hose as the 3GWRX? I assume it does, because it's the same manifold. If it does, you should remove the rubber end caps from both sides of the throttle body hose. These are notorious for popping off under boost and causing large leaks. If you take them off you can tighten down the clamps as tight as you want and they'll stay on for good.

 

Yeah, Ben is correct. There is a rubber cap on both sides of the hose if its the same setup as ours.

 

Thanks guys.

First time I ever seen anything like that. It seems like it just slips over the damn hose. And if you tight it down to tight, it gets squeezed out.

How hard is it to undo it from the throttle body? Do you have to take off the manifold? Seems like its pretty tucked in there.