1993 Nissan Skyline GTST

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    I'll be that guy.....

    Do you have the USDOT/EPA paperwork?
     
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    Not legal in the US, well at least to drive on the street. If you've got a trailer and only take the thing to track days, great. If you intend to drive this thing on the street, there is no legal method to do so. There is no method OP could have done to make it legal on the street. Effectively he'd have to buy a bunch, modify them, and crash them. Then whatever modified version meet specs could be used as a base for other cars. There is no public knowledge of what to do and no private party with the spare cash to put in that kind of money.

    http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-Legally-Import-amp-Register-Nissan-Skyline?ugid=10000000006110167
     
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    p.s. It might be worth flagging the craigslist ad.
     
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    There a few legal skylines in mn right now. Your claim is wrong.
     
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    Agreed, certain years and models do pass....if I can get the list of approved cars here on my phone ill like It
     
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    1/96-6/98 gts and Gtr r33 are eligible with documentation of importer.

    Can't figure how to link it but the website is
    Nhtsa.gov
     
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    Yes, they are eligible to import; however they still have to be made DOT legal, and pass emissions. Those are the years that are legal as they are the only years that Motorex actually had crash tested.
     
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    Right now the only way to legally own a Skyline is to have a MotoRex modified R33 GT-R. If it wasn't MotoRex modded, and doesn't have their modification details on file, there's a chance they will crush it.
    All that has to happen is for someone to get wind of it. They will confiscate the car, and I believe you get an option to ship it out of country or they crush it.
     
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    Otherwise, as mentioned above, you can get a special registration for offroad/race vehicle. It will need to be trailored to and from the track. If you are looking for a track toy, you could do it.
     
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    Also, the Silver R33 around the twin cities I believe is a MotoRex car.
     
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    I know motorex was/is a big import company, I think they got in trouble for bringing in models they weren't supposed to, there are more companies that do it now, all listed on the site I listed. also I think the nhtsa is over dot so should be no problems there. As I said there is a list of certain cars, and certain importers it must go through. If all that is done right, you shouldn't have any issues.
     
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    Please don't flag my ad. If you don't want to buy it don't buy it but please don't make it more difficult to sell than it already is. I do not have dot release paperwork but I have the contact for the original importer to possibly get the paperwork. I have had no issues with titling, licensing or insuring the vehicle. Someone recommended me come to this site to help sell it. If someone wants a great weekend car that can put almost any car to shame once built then this is it.
     
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    Oh and by building it I meant slapping on a few bolt ons. This thing is ready to be built.
     
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    What does it say the model is on your title and insurance? Oh and I think your first picture was fail
     
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    The fact that yours is out of the year range listed, I would do what you could to get all info possible prior to sale
     
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    Sorry man, sounds like YOU need to take the time to make this street legal, I don't think anybody has 17 grand to risk on this site... If you have the original importers info and you know that would help the value I would make the assumption you've already tried, and if this isn't true then go through with it and make it happen, I personally know 2 people who were interested in this car but know it's not legal to own one... Or I guess drive one on the streets.
     
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    The title just says Nissan 2 door and insurance has 1993 Nissan skyline, I got mine through hagerty's. I just talked to the importer and he said I can get the title paperwork through the DMV. If interested pm or text me.
     
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    Illegal or not, this thing is sexy as hell.
     
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    I've seen this thing up for sale on and off for over a year, I don't know if that was you or someone you bought it from but I think its obvious, make it street legal and it will go in a heartbeat, if not make it put down a big WHP number and sell it as a track car only.
     
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    I've seen 2 white R33, silver R33, blue R33, and silver R32 in the cities.

    I'm a bigger fan of the R32. Good luck with the sale.
     
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    I'll offer $500, because i know it will be crushed in the current government crackdown.
     
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    The gunmetal skyline used to live just right down the block from me!
     
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    If it wasnt street legal , having hagerty insurance before . They would not insure this if it wasnt street legal. it woud come up on the vin when entered. They dont insure racing or track cars.lol.. GLWS gorgeous car wish i had the extra around for a nice r33.. MY.02
     
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    It isn't a track car, it's a grey market car. Hagerty does insure piece togethers, kits, and assembled from parts cars. And more than likely that is how this was registered. What is going to happen is, when the dmv or some other agency checks that vin, its going to show up as a Skyline or as a ineligible vehicle. You may be able to pull that in Minnesota, but if you go out of state and attempt to register it, or get pulled over, its a brand new ballgame.
     
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    Awesome show of the arm chair import/export experts. I have never seen so much crap regurgitated than in the grey market car threads.
     
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    Yep, it's all bull****. All of it. Preach it, sister. :rolleyes:
    http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/th...ine-importation-into-the-united-states-1.html

    Buying grey market Skylines in the US is a crapshoot, and you live under the potential risk of having your car confiscated. The only street legal skylines in the US are the ones MotoRex imported. The only ones you can legally import at this time are 96-98 GT-R and GT-S models. And even then you are in a grey area because the EPA requirements aren't posted. If it isn't a 96-98 GT-R or GT-S, or it isn't a grandfathered MotoRex import, then it is grey market and federally illegal. It doesn't matter if you titled it. If you registered it. If you insured it. It's federally illegal, and if you get in an accident, or the feds find out, be ready to lose your ass on it.
     
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    He speaks the truth. A couple years ago a couple of us up here in Fargo put a lot of research into importing Skylines, I am not talking: "oh ya lets ship one in a container bro, thatd be sickkkkkk!!!" kind of importing. We were looking at full on importation and conversion to make them US DOT/EPA/NHTSA ect legal and then selling them. Needless to say, we were pretty sure we knew what we all need to do, but would couldn't fiscally support the project so it ended.
     
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    Back in 2001, I spent a solid 6 months going through the motions on importing. I was trying to import a Lotus Elise. The same problems applied then as they do now for the Skyline. Prior to the Federally cleared 2005 model year, all Lotus Elise cars were listed on the "not gonna happen" list. There were the same issues then as well. Shady importers, kit car grey market registration possibilities, customs siezures. I eventually came to the same conclusion that most others come to, you aren't going to get a banned car into the US and get it on the road without having to constantly worry about siezures, insurance dropping your coverage in an accident, jealous buttholes turning you in, or getting caught during a traffic violation.
     
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    Wait till it's 2014 and buy a 1989 R32. 25 years is the magic number. We'll see if the DOT loses their boners for these cars.
     
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    Yep, this is the other option. Cars over 25 years old are exempt.
     
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    So when it's 25 years old, what happens? You can register it as a collector car, or something?
     
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    At 25 years it is exempt to the NHSTA rules and therefore legal. You don't have to register it as a collector if you don't want to.
     
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    I am not fully sure on this. With the 25 year rule, I believe you have to have the proper paperwork for importing the car into the U.S.; so it would depend how the car was brought in. If it was improperly registered previously or improperly imported; I would guess there is a good chance that the 25 year rule may not apply. I know a buddy whose dad has imported a couple MG's and from what I understand he needed the import papers and customs papers from when the car was imported to complete the process.
     
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    You need that for any vehicle imported into the U.S. The 25 year rule is in regards to imported vehicles that were never manufactured to meet NHTSA standards. Which is the agency that bans automobiles for import. If the vehicle you have imported is less than 25 years old, it has to be listed as a vehicle that meets NHTSA standards to be imported for road use. If it is older than 25 years old, NHTSA rules no longer apply, and you simply have to clear customs and provide proof that it is yours. Not sure if there is leniency for illegal or grey market cars to be legalized after the 25 year mark. But you would have to provide customs paperwork, which would state the date it entered and cleared customs. At which point, they could probably be dicks and say "you brought this in before the 25 year mark, sorry, felony."
     
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    Beautiful car. legal or not
     
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    The only thing I don't like about OP is that he has no interest in the buyer's knowledge of legality of the car. His ad did and continues to read like he's just selling a normal car. Frankly it should be sold as a track car, something that has to be trailered everywhere. Even anyone looking to buy could not test drive this car on the street and would have to arive with a truck and a trailer just to get it home. How many want to be that OP is completely willing to let any ignorant Joe Shmoe come look at the car, write out that check, and then let the poor sap just drive off with the car? I certainly get that feeling reading the ad and in how OP presents himself here. Long story short, you're selling a trailered race car (not a bad thing really), and it should be presented and sold as such. Heck, you'd have better luck selling it on racing forums, example SCCA forums. Look up MAC. There's a lot of auto-x guys that run trailered, non-street legal cars. A good example is a Lotus Elise like was mentioned earlier. Heck, it's probably at a pretty similar price point too, the Elise maybe more, so don't expect people won't pay to play for a unique car. However, it really should be presented as a trailered race car and sold to the correct market. I will resist flagging this ad a second time, but I seriously doubt OP gives a crap about morality or who the car may go to and the resulting effect that may have. Just sell it to sell it, get it off your hands, and it's no longer your problem, right? That's the vibe I'm feeling.
     
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    Yeah that was my old buddies car. I don't know what happened to it, but he isn't "around" anymore.

    And yes it was a Motorex GT-R 33
     
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    It sounds to me like that's exactly what happened to him. He bought a sweet Skyline, and has been driving around in a grey market import for some time completely unaware that one traffic stop with a crabby officer could end in the car getting impounded/confiscated/crushed/etc.




    Or.....he's just playing ignorant and really is trying to screw someone.





    To the OP. This isn't craigslist, where all the buyers and sellers are basically anonymous. We know each other. And while we typically will respect a for sale ad if the price is a little unreasonable, etc. This deal stinks of someone about to get screwed. And when that happens, we would rather protect our fellow long-standing members from being the victim of that much sooner than protect someone who signed up just to dump a grey market car. Just remember that before you get defensive.
     
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    Your buddy the same jacknut that owned that orange vert Cobra?
     
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    Yeah the one with bouncy gay headlights.
     
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    Yeah, don't.
    Most guys on SCCA or Auto-x fourms aren't going to be interested in buying a car that weighs too much, has to be trailered everywhere, and has zero classing in any american motorsports because they're more or less outright banned in this country.

    any efforts to turn one into a dedicated track car are far better spent on cars that are actually classed.

    Unless you're an exceedingly rich wank who has a crazy hard on for a RWD skyline as a track car. Because that AWD system wasn't what made up for the weight of the car or anything like that..

    Look for a drifter.. they might be interested.
    oh wait, no. once they realize there's zero supply of extra bumpers and quarter panels in this country they won't be interested either.