3rd MNSubaru Shooting Outing, July 26th 2008

Unfortunately that is the same day as the the rally. I really want to get out to one of these. I guess I'll bring the "toys" up and get a few rounds fired on the parents land.

 

Brian I am not a gun owner, but I have been interested in participating in your events. 19 & 20 will not work for me, I'll be at DCTC. Schedule it to what works for the group, I'll tag along at another time.

 

i'll tell matt when I see him at work (don't think he logs on here much anymore but I'm sure he'd be interested). I'll be at the rally though...

 

again, crap...missing another one of these!

but...i'm spending an entire week at the riflerange starting this friday so i think i'll live.

 

I would like to come to this. I'll be bringing my SIAGA .308 and could borrow my brothers AK47.

 

just to let you know bill's in Circle Pines is indoor I work right next door.

 

what is the normal range distance I would say the bills in CP isn't much longer than 250ft

 

dont they have a rifle range at bills in robbinsdale?

 

grenade launcher?

 

bills in CP is 50 yards from what i remember...


I would just rock out on a .22 but as long as nothing comes up I would be interested in going...



hmm cant seem to load a pic, i keep getting error...I'll post it up tomorrow

 

I had a teacher at hs that told me he had an expirience of shooting an RPG at a cow somewhere in south America. Will they provide a gun to shoot from?

 

Yeah, thats what i am asking.

 

taras, I don't think you should be around shorten while he has a gun.

 

I would go but i will be in duluth this weekend, i will be down for it next time..fo sho

 

It's next weekend fool!

 

Brian-I was soo looking forward to this event with you and the rest of the guys, but unfortunately I'll be traveling the western part of the country on a road trip seeing some history and some ocean and of course some monster trees. I'll tag along next time, let me know how it goes and please bring some EVO, not S14 pictures for target practice. LOL

 

you have any prices for ammo?

 

Jason and I were discussing this the other day, we're going to try to make it (it's relatively cheap)

 

hey

this sounds like a blast. Any chance you could do it later in the day next time or maybe later in the day this time?

I'd love to go, I would rent a gun or chip in for ammo no problem. My roomate would probably wanna go too.


But I work until 4pm. too bad

 

You can count me in, I am not passing up this one.

I'll be bringing my
Remington 870 12gauge
American Arms 20gauge
ruger .22 handgun
Marlin 30-30 rifle
and I think that will be it this time

 

Last minute I showed up. Fun time guys! Damn my shoulder still hurts from that 450.

 

I missed it!!! I was occasionally trying to watch the OT section for this thread. I would not have been able to make it anyway though. I did not finish working on my car until about 2pm or so.

We need to do another one of these soon! I have something fun to bring now.

.308 Win.

 

Anyone up for another one?

 

I'll be back october 21st-28th as I've mentioned before. I'd love to do a shoot.

I'm currently enrolled in MCMTU (marine corps marksmanship training unit) at the division schools here at 29 Palms MCAGCC. I'm spending 22 days straight learning to be a range coach and instructor, classes and shooting 12 hours a day. That requires qualifying expert on 6 ranges with the M16, and expert on 3 ranges with the M9. I'm 3 days in so far, and have no idea what I got myself into. Apparently my unit grabbed the three highest shooters and volun-told us for this program.

I'd love to get to the range with everyone and throw some lead down range when I'm back. My uncle is an apple valley cop, and I'm going to invite him to shoot. He has a small arsenal of hand guns, somewhere in the realm of 10-15? Anyways. Should be a good guy to bring. He has a lot of information about conceal and carries, situational awareness, threat reduction, and enough stories to entertain the masses.

If anyone has a replica M4/M16, AR15, etc, I might be able to put it to some very good use/toss some knowledge around.

Anyways, just throwing it out there that I am very interested. I guarantee I could find quite a few friends who'd be down as well.

 

Cool! do you know what day during that time would work out best for you to make it to a range day? A saturday/sunday morning would most likely work best for others.

Also congrats on being one of the 3 best shooters, perhaps with your instructor knowledge you can teach us all a thing or two about shooting. you should check out an M14 while you are at the range, I wanna hear your opinion on it.

 

bahahaha, an M14. The only place you'll find those on base is the museum. A big disadvantage of the M14 was the max effective range, at 460meters. The M16's max effective range is slightly over 800meters. Marksmanship training on our M16's include firing Iron sights on a silhouette target from 500meters. I know with an ACOG on, I could effectively engage targets in the 5-800meter range, I just am not sure the lethality of such a light round at that range. It definitely would stop forward progress of a target though. The M16 is much lighter than the M14, more durable, and you can fit more 5.56 rounds to a magazine than with 7.62.

The 7.62 is simply a .308 equivalent, a very formidable long distance round, which makes me curious about its application in the M14 and why the range is limited. My guess is barrel manufacture, and sight apertures.

 

I do wish the M16 was a 7.62 caliber, but if you've seen what a 5.56 ball round does, its pretty nasty. Its a tumbler, and has an "armor piercing" tip that assists in initial penetration before it separates. Essentially you get hit by a .177 piece of metal, which then causes the lead (about a .22 caliber) to enter, and tumble sideways. It makes a huge mess of things.

Fatal, very. Does it have the initial stopping power? no. Thats why we are trained to fire in pairs, or failure to stop drills.

Martin, I'm going to have to talk to my dad to check on when he's good to go on hunting. That is the entire reason I'm coming home, so I have to plan around him. As it is I know a lot about shooting, but the purpose of the class is to train you to be a coach. You hardly have to be able to shoot well to be a teacher, but it can be a big help.

We cant exactly check out whatever we want at the armory, even my own unit's armory has to have an okay from my command to release weapons to us. However, we currently have sort of a "take what you need" clause built into our paperwork.

I can give you my opinion on the M4, M16 (A2 and A4), SAW, 240G and 240B, the 203 grenade launcher (attachment for A4) and MK19.

My knowledge of demolitions I have to keep tight lips about.

 

Very interesting information. From what I had gathered the M14 had a greater effective range than the M16/M4. Although this could be a result of the type of ammunition used. I am not sure how M80 (7.62 ball) compares to a commercially loaded .308 Win hunting round. The shell casing is almost identical. All military brass is slightly thicker than commercial stuff because it is dual purpose for small arms and LMGs. I have heard that they used different measurements for powder loading though. I was also under the impression that the Marines had brought several of the old M14s out of storage for use as DMRs for some squads in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Anyway find out what day works for you. I will start stocking up on ammo for some time in Oct.