5 x 4.5 vs. 5x100 bolt pattern

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  1. boone1186
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    Will a wheel with 5x100 get close to fitting s 5x4.5 in. bokt pattern? May be a dumb question, but I won't know unless I ask.
     
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    readymix ...Lest ye be trod upon... Staff Member

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    There is no such thing as "close" in bolt patterns. It either IS or it ISN'T the correct bolt pattern.
     
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    100mm = 3.9370078"
     
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    Got it. Didn't know for sure. Somethings you can fudge a bit.. Not in this instance.
     
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    Or just take any mm dimension and divide it by 25.4.
     
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    Or take any mm dimension and multiply by .039370079
     
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    Yeah. The reason being, those holes are drilled on center to a specific measurement. Pushing the bolts out or in a little bit moves the point of contact and where the pressure rests on the wheels and the lugs. You can sometimes have wheels re-drilled to a different bolt pattern. But it usually isn't worth it unless it's a set of expensive 3 piece wheels or something rare.
     
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    Unless you drive a german car... because then this bull**** is suddenly tolerable.



    I know i wouldn't trust my ass to a conical washer and something that spins at very high RPM that's not meant for the car.
     
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    Yeah, the end of that video says "Lifestyle." Not surprised in the least. Nor am I surprised that it's some dumbass dubber doing it.
     
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    Looks like they make "wobble nuts" for studded hubs aswell. They could have maybe came up with a more reasuring name.
     
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    Why? It's inherently dangerous and stupid to use them. I think by law they should be required to call them "wobble nuts." Or maybe something even more damning like "unsafe lugs" or "catastrophic nuts." Personally, I would probably go so far as to say these should be outlawed, and that people found using them should be ticketed
     
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    This is what they called Tangledupinblu back when he was involved with "the industry"
     
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    I honestly don't see anything wrong with them. As long as the wheel and hub are really close to the same size. In the video 2.3mm difference. It looked like the "wobble cone washer" had more than 2.3mm of play in it. The bolt will still keep everything centered on the hub. Now if the wheels where a bigger difference, so much as to have to force them onto the studs with a hammer or something. Then I would see a problem.
     
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    Given a small enough difference, I could see how these "wobble lugs" would be no different than an ovaled out aluminum wheel on a lug centric set-up. Assuming you could torque them down correctly (evenly and to spec) and get them to stay torqued, I'd agree that they aren't a huge risk. But a risk nonetheless as you're introducing new failure points (specifically in centering the wheel against the hub. I do wonder what kind of side load they're taking and how much R&D actually went into this product.

    I still wouldn't run them. At the very least, I'd want to ensure a near perfect hub centric fit on the wheels since the wobble basically negates the locating function of the lug bolts (they're just fasteners at this point).

    All that said, we need a real engineer in here. because science
     
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    I received honorable mention in my 5th science fair and I'd say they're good enough to recommend to the guy on Craigslist who wants to buy my 5x100 wheels to mount on his 5x4.5 rx8 hub. It's worth a shot.. That video is marketing genius....
     
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    Wait for his next video that says you can mount a 4 bolt to a 5 bolt hub with gorilla glue and some duct tape..
     
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    I'm trying to sell wheels with a 5x100 pattern to a guy with an rx8 with the 5x114 pattern. Very little interest in the wheels therefore I'm working every angle with anyone who inquires about them.
     
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    Ok, it's legit in that it would allow someone to adapt a 5x100 wheel to a 5x114.3 hub. But one thing to keep in mind is that that spacer/adapter is going to subtract 25mm from the offset. So if you are selling him a 17x8 wheel with a +48 offset, it's going to make the effective offset +23. I mean, caveat emptor and all, but still, it probably isn't going to fit right on an RX8. And I believe the RX8 is a staggered wheel, unless this guy plans on using your wheels for snow tires or something.
    But yeah, to answer your question, a bolt pattern adapter is completely legitimate and would allow someone to bolt 5x100 wheels to their 5x114.3 hub.
     
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    If he's smart he won't purchase them.. They would be far from hella flush on his car. Thanks for insight.
     
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    That depends, if an 8" wide wheel at +23 is "flush" for an RX8, then sure. I can tell you that an 18x8 +30 wheel is stock for the 350z touring package. An added 7 offset would make them run more flush. But most 350z guys want wider than 8" usually opting for 9+" up front and 10.5+ in the rear. BUT, your wheels would suffice for a set of winters for someone with a 350z that doesn't mind having to buy a spacer/adapter to make them fit. But the odds of finding a 350z owner that drives his car in the snow is pretty slim, and the ones that do will probably have kept their stock wheels for that purpose.
    My point is, find out what cars take 5x114.3 and find out their stock sizes. And then see how close that is to your wheel + that spacer. You might be able to sell them off as a winter set for someone. Otherwise, are they posted on here?
     
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    This is funny.. Had a guy on the phone today who owns a 1700 HP GT-R and he was stuck on my wheels I'm selling. After he talked my ear off for a half hour we got down to business and it turns out he thought they were 5x114.3.... just my luck.
     
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    Dude has a 1700 hp GTR and can't take the time to research a set of wheels for a second to make sure they fit?

    OR

    Dude has a 1700 hp GTR and wants used wheels? Spent all the money on a Weapon R intake?
     
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    He said he has a $150k motor in it. Dude seemed honest, but damn he talked my ear off about his cars.
     
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    150k into the engine and he looks for used wheels as if new ones are too expensive.

    Shoulda skipped the APC aluminum triple decker wing. ****'s spendy.
     
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    Nissan guys....
     
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    The "mild" switzer packages start at $70k. Most of the 1000hp+ packages start at $100,000k. But, like you said, most of them are also on $4k HRE's. Hell, even the "low end" 800hp cars are on HRE's
    http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...fs-2013-nissan-gt-r-alpha-9-10-500-miles.html

    Or gullible Subaru guys.
     
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    I know, the local gtr that was ams a9 was on Iforged wheels.