There are still a few seats left for the next Advance Car Control event coming up on July 26!!! If you are looking for seat time with a professional one on one instructor on track and classroom to help hone your daily or high performance driving needs there is your opportunity. Seats are limited so sign up soon. Event: 2009 Summer Advanced Car Control Clinic Event Type: Driving School DescriptionDon't let the word, "Advanced", intimidate you. We call it advanced because it goes beyond the motions of moving your vehicle around. This is a vehicle dynamics clinic. You will learn more about what your very capable vehicle can do in an accident avoidance or unexpected event where we are put at the limit. Location: Dakota County Technical College (Map) 1300 145th Street East Rosemount, MN 55068 Starts: 8:00AM Ends: 5:00PM One Full day with an assigned instructor in the car to coach you. Read more "Advanced Car Control Clinics" here.StatusOpen Begin Date26-JUL-2009 End Date26-JUL-2009Event Cost$100.00More DetailsLooking for more time behind the wheel to hone your driving skills? We'll have a 1-mile course set up at DCTC with in-car instruction and classrooms. The learning experience will also include scheduled time riding with your instructor. Driving experience of all levels welcome! If you're planing on attending the Performance Driving School, we strongly recommend this event as a pre-requisite. Especially if it's your first time at a Performance Driving event, it will make the experience so much more enjoyable. Space is limited. Last day for registration: 20-JUL-2009 (or event sells out) Membership Required? Yes
This time we are going to put a incar camera for sure! I would hate to lose another moment like this weekend. LOL
Looking forward to working with you boys on the track!!! So what are your goals for this event? What do you want to spend time working on?
This will be the last scheduled event for Advance Car Control for the summer. The next one will be in the winter, otherwise BIR in October. You will enjoy it, we utilize the whole track and you'll get lots of seat time along with class time to get familiar with new materials. Remember its a car control event so no racing, nothing like what we did last weekend, but it the training will be derived from it. The things you'll learn will make you a safer and better driver, but most of all you'll probably enjoy your car a lot more during the event and afterwards. I guarentee it!!!! :laugh:
Well start putting your list together, we only have one day to spend together to get them done. I'm going to really start raising the bar on you so make sure you get some rest before the event. You learn very quick so it shouldn't be a problem.
Drifting's great once you learn the techniques and can apply them, but it's not something you can do in one day. Also awd cars geared for understeer on asphalt don't drift well. Unless you've got about 300 ft-lb of torque on tap and a suspension setup that's at least relatively neutral, it won't be all that fun even trying. Gravel is your better surface for most cars. This looks like a lot of fun for folks who have yet to push their cars. It would be a good precursor to getting into auto-x for the last half of the season or before the auto-x school next year and the new season. For those curious about drifting, rally-x is a better start. You're on loose surface, and can start to throw the car around a little. You won't be quick without control, but you can fiddle with a couple techniques in a relatively safe environment (short the ruts/ledges that can build up). That actually might be a cool secondary advanced driving school, if the field owner in Cannon Falls would let you set something up. A lot of the same advanced driving challenges can be done but on a loose, less predictable surface.
Very nice perception on the subject. Althought inducing an awd to oversteer or drift depending on your definition or determination will vary from one to another. There are many factors to consider but it does not take as much hp as some would like to think. Speed and limited traction are really the only two factors need to get your car to come around as you will find many examples on the public roads. LOL As far as learning goes any type of surface will serve as a useful and beneficial tool. The more you expose yourself to these opportunities the better prepared you'll be to contend with MN weather. Now car control will definately open many doors in motorsports as well as serve a purpose in defensive driving for daily use. If you want to be the next Ken Block and start making your own commercials you'll need to really work hard. The skills he uses in his videos are a combination of Rally, Tarmac, drift and tons of precision driving.
humm..... I remembered I was drifting with my wagon back in the day when it was STOCK suspension with the little 13mm rear sway bar, catback exhaust on the little 2.2L NA. I learned to induce the drifts a few ways. Only thing was when I get on the gas, it'd pull back out from the slide. A bigger sway bar in the rear helped keep the slide longer and make it much more fun! That was on DRY pavement. Of course now I can drift it no problem. I did at a drift event with my setup. And it is MUCH easier to drift when you have an LSD in the rear because it give you powerOversteer and control. Kind of like the VLSD in the rear and driving in winter. You can then apply throttle to help rotate where it used to be throttle and understeer. The DCCD 6spd makes it possible because of it being rear biased along with the 2way R180 LSD. I had them Falken RT615's on an EVO3-16G turbo! Nothing fancy....
I was a n00b back then but I still remember that day. Fuji got sideways through the whole turn to the finish line. I've gotten sideways a few times during an AutoX but being NA with not much power. I was still able to break the rear loose and slide around the corner. Your car doesn't have to be pushing 400whp, it's just how you setup yourself for that corner. =P
Being sideways by accident and being sideways on purpose are two different things. As well, there is driving with some slip angle in motorsports as it can be faster, safer, or allow for more options. Drifting as its own sport is much more expressive. It's less speed and more show(although still quick). It ends up being a completely different approach although it does expand what can be pulled off in a car. You're always bound by physics, so you're always stuck to what a car can mechanically do. Street or sport driving, you'll never escape the laws of physics. Surface conditions, tire grip, suspension setup, chassis balance, brake bias, power delivery, etc. all define what can and can not be done with a car. Good driving skills is in essense the ability to comprehend and manipulate any car towards 10/10. It's understanding the limits and capabilities of the car you drive and what to do and when to do it in order to make the car do what you want. Understand the car. Understand your options. Apply the techniques correctly. If you don't drive well, the fault is in one of these three areas.
There are still a few seats available for anyone who is considering participating. We have instructors from various forms of motorsport with many years of experience who is able to assist with improving your current level of high performance driving and defensive driving. Feel free to stopby and hangout as well the forecast for this weekend is expected to be sunny and low 80's. Rain or shine we will be there.
I am kinda interested in this event, but mainly I am asking this for my buddy. How hard would one be pushing their cars in such event? His car is basically stock (suspension wise), and just want to learn better control.. But he doesn't want to beat the crap out of it either since is his DD.. What can I tell him to get him to go??
Its a driving school where we'll do our best to teach you car control/vehicle dynamics. We do a great job of pairing you with an instructor that will help optimize your skills with your vehicle type. There are various exercised setup on the course to help simulate real life situations to help sharpen your still. You can push your car as little and as hard as you want. You will be given classroom time to learn new material and track time to test them out. You will have a full time dedicated instructor to help you along the way. Its a lot of fun and there is no pressure to have to impress anyone. Our instructors are very nice and highly experienced you can go up to anyone and ask questions for a ride at the end of the day. Let me know if you have more questions, hope you guys can come out. :biggrin:
