Ok is it stupid to assume that if I am buying a new car that I don't want something on the lot that they have been using as a test drive car? My reasoning behind this.... I pay pretty much the same price for a car that has 5 miles or less on it. but.... then i also have to wait 6 to 8 weeks (not too bad of a deal, but still it is looking like august or sept) the test drive cars get beat on, they are there to show people how much fun a WRX is and that is how cars are sold. this means no "break in miles" the car sits outside all day (for months?) runs gas... gas from holiday or SA and has been using the factory oil filter and oil. yes i know that the miles will be very low and the "beating" is not horrible... yes I will be using my car to the full potential... but I will also take care of the car. check fluids before i drive, and change them when I should. use the right gas and hold it's hand while i cross the street.... you get the point. am i being stupid about this or are my concerns warrented? I am trying to think about this in the long run and if a lot car really has less of a life or if any of the enviormental factors like sitting outside, test drives and basic car will really make a difference. opinions? :eek4:
yeah that is why i am asking.... the more i think about it the more I am thinking that there really isn't anything that they can do that should be too bad.... but it is a good chunk of change... that is why i asked. maybe someone will say something that will really make sense...
Every time I have test driven a car the dealer has been with in the car. So I don't think they would let you be too hard on the car.
Chances are if anything goes wrong with the car, it is something that would have happened anyway. Not too likely that the test drives are going to cause any real damage. How long has the car been on the lot? There have been an excessive number of failures in early build 2009 WRXs That said, for the same price I would order a fresh one and wait for it. If I took one off the lot I would want to get a little better deal. Plus at this point, the 2010 is not that far off, you might as well wait and see if they make any minor revisions.
I would order!! Then you are in charge like you said. They usually don't have the exact car on the lot anyways.
Since your paying so much i dont think its stupid to get exactly what you want even if you have to wait.
They are working one the 2010 right now. I would order if you get the same price trade and finance. I just got mine and it had near 300miles on it. But if i wanted to be sure and spank the % rate deal i had to get a 09. I wait till the 10's and missed the deal I wouldnt buy. Hard to find any on the lots now as far as WRX and STI go. I asked for a DGM or White wrx and after a search of 10 states the 3 dealers i went to found 2 wrx's. 1DGM AND 1DGM LIMITED One gave me a great trade and sold me a WRX. I took the Limited. To many options to pass up. :yumyum: What ever u get make sure you look at my thread in the mod section. Always best to see what someone else spent bucks on and decide if you like it. But at least the good subaru stuff could be figured into your loan and you could spend your cash on any mods you cant do at the dealer. I got Sport mesh grill-great but no WRX logo STI short throw shifter-on the car no choice but good enough for now Rear bumper Guard - on the car no choice again poo Added tint as far as legal. STI front lip spoiler- ok looking but around here afraid of clearance. Shop around alot diff between one dealer and the next saved me over 1200 bucks........
yeah i want the short shift and the exhaust for sure... the other stuff is just extra. the only other thing i was thinking about was the premium package... i think it would be nice... i have never had the "extras" in a car before.... but i am thinking basic. just that upgrade and nothing else. the problem is that there are 09's on the lot that have the shifter and exhaust but that is it. which is fine. i want the car for the car (but who can turn a nose to luxury). 09 = 0% for 48 months 10 = 3% - 6% and i am guessing would be an extra 2 years of payments. but i am spending a crap load already so why cheap out now.... ahhhh too much to compute for my brain on a saturday night!:jumpy::jumpy::jumpy:
b4 I got my WRx 2.5 yrs ago I test drove a 05 SRT-4. Me, my buddy and the salesman were in the car. We got off the highway into smaller streets. I didn't want to FLOOR it but the salesman said, "ok, after that right turn right there put it in 1st gear and FLOOR it". In my mind, i was like, ok. I did it anyways. Pop it in 1st got up to 500rpm from RedLine and continues with 2nd Gear. He said "yeaaaaahh, now thats what you need. High torque with fast gear ratios" If it was a WHITE one i would of bought it but it was an ORANGE one. But good thing I didn't and fall inlove with my WRx after that.
I would test drive one that you dont like the color but has all the features you like just to see how it is for you and ask to buy the color you really want, Brand new.
One thing you mentioned in your OP. Stick with the factory oil filters. Your car will be happier with them As far as the rest, given the choice I'd order my own and take it right off the truck.
Our STi had something like 30 miles on it and honestly I could care less. Now if I had a choice between one with a few hundred miles and little to no miles well the answer is obvious. Consider yourself lucky though, I didn't even get to test drive ours as the car was for my wife and I didn't drive a stick
i was reading a post on oil that said that the factory filters are about as good as fram filters. you really think i would be better with a factory filter over something of a higher quality. for example the napa gold filters?
The Subaru factory filters are good filters. I have yet to hear of any issues related to them, other than a bad batch 4-5 years ago. Those were quickly remedied. I've seen comparison filters cut up next to the Subaru factory one, and the factory one has a lot more filter media.
interesting. i wonder if they will give me filters if i want to change my own oil. i am not a fan of the factory oil they put in the cars.
I read subaru has changed the manufacturer of their oil filters a few times. I guess they used to be really good, but now they suck. But really it doesn't matter if you use good oil and change it every 3,000 miles.
ok just got an email. 17 miles on the car.... so that seems like maybe 1 or 2 test drives. Pros: SPT Exhaust, Short Shifter, Black 5 door, 3K less + 2 years less of payments @ 0% than if i order what i want pick it up within a week vs. aug or sept no sound system may attract less negative attention Cons: No premium package... not too big of a deal but would be nice don't know what is new with 2010 (could be good or bad) don't get 100% what i want... get the important things, but less bells and whistles every time i think i know what they want they throw something new at me. Plus I guess Morries offers an extended warranty for free and white bear does not.... so back to the dealership dilemma.
Does this apply to the blue filters they switched over to at the end of last year? Cut-ups have shown them to be lacking (equivalent to Fram) compared to the black ones that were discontinued. Although there is a huge thread here suggesting the new blue filters may still be preferable to anything non-OEM, due the bypass pressure. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1429206&fpart=1 check the fine print on the warranty... I have no idea how the new Morrie's plan works, do they require you to have the car serviced there to keep the warranty intact or anything like that? is it a genuine "Subaru Added Security" plan? (I'm guessing not.) For example, Walser offers free oil changes, as long as you have the regular service intervals (15k, 30k, etc) performed there. And somehow it seems that those services end up costing a lot more than if you simply go by what it states to do in the manual.
I can't stand buying new...so much wasted money. It's vastly more economical to buy a car with just a couple years on it. You still get the warranty, but you don't lose all that money in depreciation. At the very least, look for an end of the year car. It's also useful to look at used cars if you intend to mod at all. Many times you can find a car with 50%-75% what you want on the car where someone else has already done the work. As well, modded cars do not sell great, so you get a killer deal on the aftermarket hardware installed, generally 50% of what it cost the previous owner. It becomes incredibly cost effective.
I hear what you are saying but isn't this argument void if you aren't planning on selling the car. Wouldn't it we more economical to buy new if you are going to drive the car into the ground. I have had used cars all my life and that always come with maintenance. i don't avoid this with a new car (if i run it to the ground) but i do delay these costs. As well buying new = lower insurance rates. So if I am only spending money on AMSoil and the dealership pays for everything else the first 3 years... and less money for insurance. I am saving money. Plus i know how the car is treated from day one and therefore can attempt to make the car last a lot longer. Vs someone who fills the car with gas and takes it to Oil Can Henery's to get their oil changed every 5k. i think staying away from someone's mods can be good and bad. if they know what they are doing you have less to worry about. but you never really know how they take care of their car. my car is going to be a DD and i am guessing it will be pretty stock for the first 3 years or so. i asked for the paperwork on this twice... i am still waiting to see it. I don't want to drive to the other side of the cities to change my oil. I would rather do it at home. depending on what the paperwork says i will make an educated decision. but if i can do my own oil changes and get a little extra protection for the same price then why not.
i beat the piss out of my test drive car... ended up buying it... didnt think we would... bought it with 900miles on the clock... pretty much trouble free till I sold it at 70K ish... others buy brand new and have nothing but troubles.. buying a car new or used is a gamble...
Finding Dealer Demos is a huge way to save money..I purchased my 09 from morries with 1800 miles on it and paid 6 grand below the MSRP still have PLENTY of warranty left and may have been beat on alittle but hey I have an 09 for cheap plus how much damage could be done in that amount of time? interior was in showroom floor condition as well
yeah i think you're right. 17 miles there really can't be much done. plus doing an 09' at 0% saves 5k - 7k on interest alone.
I special ordered mine in the white without a rear spoiler and never regretted it, Peace of Mind and I'm a perfectionist. You sound like your fairly particular, Special order your car and wait the 6 weeks and get exactly what you want :biggrin:
The mileage on the car freakishness is warranted, the "omg factory oil and oil filters" isnt, Factory oil filters are what you want to be running, SOA wouldnt TRY to wreck their own products with sub-par VITAL engine parts/fluids.
I don't know much about the filters... but AMSoil is better than what they run in the cars for the "free" oil changes. not that what they run is bad... it just isn't the best.
We use mobile drive clean here at the dealership (regular dino oil) and we havent had any oil related failures.
yeah I am not saying the oil is bad. I am just saying there is better oil to put in the car, and i don't mind paying for the oil if it makes a difference.
