Ok, on my contour forum we are having an arguement with one guy. A former member on the site posted pics of his newer legacy gt (nice car!) and I mentioned some stuff about how the WRX wasn't for me and that it was slower than my 3.0L swapped SVT. He starts going off saying how the bug eyed WRX's are over 300 hp (we corrected him), how a 3.0L SVT isn't faster than a stock WRX (we corrected him). Then he starts saying stuff like this "WRX= can be raced in stock class 3.0 swapped SVT= Highly modified limited production car, Can't run in stock class see my point? how does a 3.0 swapped STI fair against your 3.0 SVT? " Then I brought up the point that the STI was about $10K more than a CSVT and has about 10 years newer technology in it......annnnnd that a simple 3.0L swap isn't a heavily moddified car. A local guy in the cities can take the old one out and have the 3.0L in and running in a day. Basically all you are doing is swapping around a pulse wheel, flipping the fuel rail around and throw the engine in (mostly the exact same engine just 3.0L vs a 2.5L). Are we in the wrong for calling this guy an idiot for stuff he doesn't know what he is talking about? Yes, I know a WRX will have a faster 0-60 than a 3.0L CSVT but that is because of the AWD and the SVT have almost no ways to put the power to the pavement. From a roll though the SVT can shine (lame, I know lol) But the point we are trying to convey is that they are two completely different types of car with two compeltely different price points.
It's an internet argument man, no matter how right you are, you will never win. Can you post a link to said thread, or do you need to be a member to view it?
And when I say cheap, I am talking about the thickness of the sheet metal, the quality of the interior materials etc. Then again my last vehicles have had sunroofs, leather, power everything, and a little more sound absorbing materials...so I might be spoiled in that reguard. I gave credit to where these cars are tough to kill and are quick though.
Yeah, forum argument. It's called fanboy-ism. And it happens on any forum that is car related, especially on car specific forums. Subaru forums have them, where people think the STi is the end-all sports car, and will trip over themselves to defend that, even though the STi is just a juiced up, 4 door econo-car. I went on a PT-Cruiser forum once on a whim and found a thread where they were comparing the WRX and the PT-Cruiser turbo. Some guy actually said this: "With my mods I should be around 220hp, which is like 280hp at the wheels." Apparently, PT-Cruisers have a transmission that adds horsepower. You have the intellectual advantage here. You have owned a different make of car in your life. Most fanboy retards are people that have only owned that one car. for instance, most Subaru fanboys got a WRX or STi as their first car, or first individual purchase of a car. And they can't bring themselves to understand that just because they bought one, doesn't mean it is the best car ever for all things.
I think it is more the guy than anything. He is also talking up a clutch that he doesn't own (only one person on the site tried one) or even tried vs the stock one (which is a VERY dependable clutch). We had very bad luck with SPEC stage 2 clutches (me included, the rivits holding the springs in came undone and the springs also worked them selves out) so we only have the stock one we know we can trust. It is like he makes stuff up and then tries to defend himself in whatever matter even though he has no experience in any of this. It is driving all of us bonkers. And speaking of Legacy GT's like in the thread. What are your opinions of them vs the WRX in terms of materials? I am looking at some of them as a new car since I had to bogard my moms 2010 eclipse cause I sold the WRX LOL
Maybe he is a 15 year old fourm troll who doesn't have a car and only knows what he has read on the web
NVM, i read the entire thread. Every single post in there is the typical bench racing fanboy brigade nonsense that I see on all other car forums. People arguing to argue. Anyone want to buy a WRX?
lol just read that thread and wow i feel sry for the OP of that thread he spent about $2000 in performance parts. and is putting out less power than i am when i only spent about $400. as for lgt/wrx it some done to what u do with it. i picked up my lgt wagon cause i can load 4guy/4snowboards and all of your gear for a week trip out to montana and still have alot of room left inside the wagon. also i like how it is more low key, as for build quality i cant say cause i have only own a lgt and never a wrx
I have owned a 96 Impreza outback and a 00 Legacy GT wagon and the WRX. The Legacy back then wasn't bad, and it was because of that I was surprised at the stuff with the WRX is really lacking....and after how every single person on the planet seems to make them the top of the car food chain. The only other vehicles I can even think of what I want right now is a murano, infinity fx35, legacy gt wagon, or a porsche cayenne....and the cayenne is looking like it is about $5K too much. Major bonus for the subies....manual shifting....just finding one is the problem. The OP is a good guy. He is good friends with the guy I bought the 3.0L from. Looks just like Al Rouker.
What's your budget? Having had an 06wrx, 07sti, 08lgt and having helped a family member shop for an infinity fx, ml450, and cayenne s, I say go for the cayenne (post 05 or with warranty) if you're worried about build quality. As a commuter, I like our lgt much more than the wrx and much more than the 08+ wrx/sti's I've driven. It's oranges compared to the sti so I won't comment there. As much as we like the lgt we're considering trading it on a 335xi (or an 06 cayenne turbo if it were up to me). Also, to answer your original question... You're both missing the point. Enjoy what you have, accept that people will have differing opinions, and drive what you prefer.
I'm lol'ing at "an engine swap isn't a heavily modified car". Also, IMO that leggy is fugly. Hooray, big improperly fitting rims and a drop. Bet he puts it away in the winter, too.
Where did you dyno your car? I'm only saying this because with the multiple dynos in this state, and nationwide with the variance of altitudes and weather conditions, you saying you made better numbers is meaningless. I could easily take a bone stock 02 WRX down to RS motors and dyno it, and then drag a 2.5RS with full exhaust, intake and headers up to MAP and dyno it, and get numbers on both that are pretty damn close. With no frame of reference, just the numbers on paper, you'd say that they are making the same power. Which is totally wrong. That guys numbers are on par with what a Stage 2 2.5L Subaru turbo motor should be making. I use RS Motor's dyno as my gold standard around here because I've been going there since I first moved here. If he dynoed at RS-Motors and made 250/310 on pump gas, I'd say that is about right for a stock turbo 2.5L stage 2.
TCSTANGS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT. i had a wall of tvs tuned stage 2 car with very moderate parts. i beat a 3L swapped contour done all the right way, ported heads the whole bit. they are real nice cars, my friend has a real nice one but they just dont have the same sex appeal as the wrx IMO. they are cool for what they are.
Represent. I agree a 3l swapped contour is a cool car. But IMO the wrx/imprezas are just better overall packages and much "sexier".
lawl. I still remember the day that you tried to race that S4 with all of us in the car WHILE I WAS STILL WORKING ON THE TUNE. lmao!
And I'd say your car is 263/304, and is in line with what that other guy on the other forum is putting down for stage 2 numbers. Factor in gas, air temp, altitude, etc...and you're both putting down about the same thing. Spewing random dyno numbers makes you look like a toolbag. If you don't believe me, go look at the Proven Power Bragging forum on NASIOC. Somehow in the last 4 years, people have figured out how to make VF-39 STi stage 2 cars make 325-350 whp on pump gas, when 4 years ago, I watched 4 guys with 20G's on a dyno, and not one of them could break 300 on pump gas. There are so many factors involved that it is pointless to even post or compare them unless you and the person you are comparing with dynoed on the same dyno, on the same day, with the same gas. And cock swinging over Stage 2 setups vs other Stage 2 setups is about the biggest bag of fail you can deliver. They all make virtually the same power and use the same parts.
LOL!!!1!!1!!1!!one Funny ****. People can be passionate about what they drive, so there is no getting around that. A few understand the limitations of what they drive, and accept their vehicles for what they are. Some don't and spend exorbitant amounts of money chasing a dream.
i believe we won, if i remember correctly kevin was driving (iroc-z) and i was in the back seat hahahahahaha yes, yes i am
Tell him to get that slow hybrid engine out of there and install a full 3.0L for real power The SVT upper intake manifold flows a LOT less air than the 3.0L upper intake....I have the flow numbers someplace. If you see him, give him some crap about it LOL
This is a Subaru forum. We (I) could care less about what your Contour made, or what heads were great. The crux of the matter is it still couldn't put the power to the ground. 700hp Hondas are fast, after 3rd gear. So what is the point in owning one?
Real world application? I don't know...I know I don't need to normally go from 0-60 as fast as possible. Most of the time I just like the power for the ability to get on/off ramps, pass slower drivers etc.
