I'm thinking of doing a groupbuy on some of there products...Ranging around $100-$700 depending on what I get...They are known in the JDM world for suspension and handling upgrades...They have a 4 point rear trunk brace kit I am thinking of doing, but it is pricey...Or a more affordable Front or rear strut tower bars...I am getting these from Japan so I would have to see how much shipping is..The more I order the cheaper the cost...Quality is AAA+ as good or better than whitelines, and cuscos...from what my vendor tells me in CA. It is a big hit over in the west coast. So what do u guys think of this Groupbuy idea? Here u go guys, the pics...let me know what u think. Quality is looks great Forge Pitch Stopper- $105 Retail -GB of 6 ($90+s&h) roughly $5 Undertray Alumnium- $180 Retail -GB of 6 ($150+s&h) roughly $10 Diff. Support Bar- $150 Retail- GB of 6 ($125+s&h) roughly $8 Floor Performance Bar- $200 Retail- GB of 6 ($170+s&h) roughly $10-$12 Front Under Performance Bar- $250 Retail- GB of 6 ($215+s&h) roughly $10 Front or Rear Strut Tower Bar (Looks Thick & Beefy and hollow inside to keep weight down)- $230 Retail- GB of 6 ($195+s&h) Roughly $10-$12 Mission Member Bushing- $65 Retail- GB of 6 ($55+s&h) $3 Shifter Link Bushing- Same as Above Propeller Shaft Mounts- $60 Retail- GB of 6 ($50+s&h) $3 Radiator Shroud- $110 Retail- GB of 6 ($95 shipped) Air Duct Fog light Replacement- $350 Retail- GB of 6 ($300 shipped)
I'll post some pics when I get home...From: undertray, pitch stopper, strut tower (front and rear), braces, air ducts, pulleys, bushing etc...I'm sure shane will have some input on this product line... Here u go guys...another set of pics...Fitment is A+ as you can see
Ugh... Chassis bracing... what a waste of $$$. The only cars that REALLY improve with Strut tower bars, ladder bars, etc... are the GC Chassis cars, wagons in the rear, and HEAVILY SUSPENSION MODIFIED cars. Stock or near stock dampeners (AGX, SPT, Etc..) will absorb way more than enough force to prevent any chassis flex. The GD Chassis is quite well engineered... look at the strut mount points and you'll see that they all are directly attached to very strong pieces of rigid horizontal metal. Front strut tops directly connect to the firewall, rears are housed in the rear deck... their built in "strut tower bars" Chassis bracing is mostly a placebo in the subaru land. it's cheap, easy to install, and some uneducated people think they make "MAD HANDLING IMPROVEMENTS" not that they've ever driven a car to the limit enough to really gauge handling improvements. Soo... IMHO, i would be AGAINST a group buy with them unless you could show some other products from them that would be effective in improving the handling. i've seen nothing of "BeatRush" even mentioned in the motorsports section over on NASIOC, and as far as I'm concerned, that's the place where weak get weeded out from the strong. on real race cars built by real people who know what their doing. but post up what they offer, and i'll take a look if there's anything good. i Suggested whiteline, because many of their products go beyond conventional, providing quality race grade products at a very low price. I'm extremely pleased with their products i have installed, and even more pleased with the prices i have paid for them. and when you find their products on championship winning cars, and they don't even pay contingency, you gotta know it's good stuff.
No offense Shane, but whether u participate in this next groupbuy or not doesn't really matter...This is just a feeler on this brand "BeatRush" by Laile (JDM). I may go with this brand or another...Depends on the feedback I get and what part I would be selling. I'm sure doing a groupbuy on whiteline is useless because everyone here can probably get them cheap, probably less then some vendor cost. So why should I even bother doing a groupbuy, thinking that it would be less!?! When u can buy them for the same price on the net without having 12 people buy-in...I try to find products that are unique, great quality, and universal at the same time and still offer a great "bang for the buck"
I have seen a couple of those pics before over on RS25. teh skid plate, and frotn uder bracing stuff. I have heard of this company before but not much else. looks like it could be good.
If you can post prices this may determine more interest. Most of this i can get for decently cheap off yahoo auctions japan.
I would shy away from there intake...If you want one I'd recommend the SPT intake that just came out for WRx/Sti. At least this way Subaru can't say S**T about warranty issue.
I would want it to be around $100 or $150. So that it is affordable for everyone, pass that I think it gets pricey, just like those DAM PS3 that is coming out...hehe But I still reserved one *Booyaaa*
there is one in the picture so I would assume yes. But why? there is a lot more suspension quality you can get before thinking of putting an ALK in. Can you even describe why an ALK would make the car handle better? I would probably be interested in a pitch stop and a radiator shroud.
BTW they do have a thread there... and people seem to like the stuff. maybe you need to pay more attention
well from my understanding they help keep the front end planted while accelerating. so if i were to give it gas around a corner the wheels would stay more planted causing less understeer... from what ive read in reviews there just as good as upgrading sway bars
an ALK kit relocates the front control arm position so that you have more static positive caster in the front end. essentially what it is trying to do is move the stress of acceleration from being loaded onto the springs and onto the chassis. this is why its called an "anti lift" device, but it really mechanically serves a different purpose. It really doesn't correct dive and lift as well as springs themselves do it. not to mention it replaces a key stress component of your suspension with a small piece of aftermarket machined aluminum. I'd stick with the stockers and just change the bushings, you get a bit more than half the added caster without having to worry about changing the front suspension geometry or swaybar fitment (perrin PSRS and some other ALK's will hit the front swaybar depending on the car) You can also adjsut caster with camber plates, and that way you can even it out. stock suspensions can't adjust for caster since the tophats aren't moveable. Stock tolerances can be within 3 degrees of one strut to another which is pretty far off. An ALK will just enhance the imbalance if you cant straighten it out while aligning it anyways. The main benefit of an ALK is that more positive caster=better ultimate grip. The reason why has to do with tire angle while turning and tire deflection. The simplest way to explain it is that the more caster you have the more negative the camber angle is while the wheel is turned. I can explain further but it would take little diagrams. But what that essentially means is if you're running negligeable negative camber in front (less than 1.25 degrees) its going to help, but not nearly as much as if you had camber plates and -2 to -3 degrees of negative camber in your front end. I guess what the rambling comes down to is an ALK works best on cars that already have pretty throughly sorted suspensions and arent subjected to control arm stresses that could break the ALK itself. you can get most of the benefits simply by ordering the bushings in the ALK and installing them in your stock control arm pickups. ALKs dont do the same thing as swaybars, and theyre not as effective as a swaybar is. swaybars control side loads on caused by the chassis, whereas an alk would control forward pitching motion (but not nearly in the same way, your springs are really still doing that) I'd still say swaybars are a much bigger bang/buck ratio. Maybe this company sells those too.
Holy smokes! $450+ for that ALK kit...By the time it is all said and done it will be around $375+s&h for a GB of at least 6 rephrase that...$495 retail and $410+s&h GB of 6...Not my cup of tea...Whitelines go for about $250
Funny... i just did a search on BeatRush in the motorsports section... the only two that came up were in regards to skidplates..... http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6005298 and nobody seemed to think they were that great.... Or really in the Suspesnion/Brakes section either..... 14 entries? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6005361 None of them really go off on the stuff either... most mention of it seems to pop up as an alternate option... For the Pricing of this stuff... it just doesn't look like it's worth the money. "JDM" does not always mean better, but it usually does mean more expensive.
That last comment...Shane "it just doesn't look like it's worth the money". Question is, how would u or anyone know at this point unless u have tried it. The people that have tried it and posted on Nasioc, I-Club, EVOs, etc. All have liked the product. Some even say that it is as good of a quality as top brands or better...Too make it short, I know some people from the West Coast that are running these and loving it...
I would do either the radiator shroud or ALK or their intake but it scares me that you say the SPT one is better. I like how they kind of seclude the intake in a box, trying to hide some of the heat. I would do my own box but I dont really have the tools down here in Chi
I am really liking these foglight replacements. http://www.kamispeed.com/popup_image.php?pID=52&pImgN=1&SesId=b5250ccbdeb0fda478f21d0b0f4ff3c7
Honestly the ALK kit I would go with Whtieline, perrin, etc. They are 2x less than the beatrush ones...As for the aftermarket INtakes, there are no gaurantees with them...Since people are so worried about it I would just by it direct from Subaru (SPT). I'm sure they can't deny there own warranty for there own product.
hey Luckie8 checkout my Thread on "gauging Interest Bearrush stuff..." http://mnsubaru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17325
