Below is my product line list. Please let me know if you guys are interested in any of the following for group buy. Zapco Infinity Clarion Kenwood (Excluding Excelon) RE Audio USAmps JVC DB Drive Bazooka Stinger Tsunami Dayton Coustic Crimestopper Scytek Audiovox Exonic Icon TV Myron & Davis DEI Blaupunkt Oz Audio MTX Panasonic Eclipse Ultrastart Accelle A-Trend (prefab custom fit enclosures) Crunch Dual JTI Quantum R&T Valor Vizual Logic XE Designs HiFonics Metra Install Bay Streetwires
raamamat :slayer: (Great sound dampening, I'm sure plenty of sooby people would want to do trunks, door panels?) And You've got tsunami listed twice. ha
oh...hah, good catch on the Tsunami... I'll call Rick at Raamat and see what I can pull off for a Group Buy (you are right, the stuff is amazing)
I need a new sub. 12" something. i was eyeing the alpine type R, but i dont know. also perhaps an EQ groupbuy?
What is the price range you are looking for in a 12" Dynapar? I see that Crutchfield is listing the Type-R at $199 each. Not a bad price for sure, but I am sure I can come up with something similar for less money if you are interested. The problem I have with EQ groupbuys is that not many people use them (at least 1/2 DIN units) anymore since it seems everyone is going w/ a multichannel video setup w/ onboard DSP's and such. But if you can find 5 people that want EQ's I'd be happy to sell them at a great price.
i will see what i can come up with for people on the EQ GB. as for the sub. well i had a few chances to buy up 12" type Rs for about $100 new. right no wi have a infinity reference 1220, the i think the voice coil got alittle to hot, and got kinda melty. I am not looking for a super bass comp sub, i want something with fairly tight response, and can take some power (i can push up to 1000W at 1ohm, and less based on impedence) i tired running a power HX2 (~1500w rms) and well i blew fuses left and right.
I have no idea what kind of price markup there is on Alpine, hence the reason I used Crutchfield (online, reliable, not a scam, etc....IOW legit). At $100 a pop brand new w/ warranty, etc.., it will be VERY hard to beat the Type-R pricing. I might have some solutions at a bit more than that if you wanted to go with RE Audio -tjamz under Boost Innovations screen name.
i am unfamiliar with RE audio. do you know if any particular brands require less volume inside the box, i want my next sub to take up as little space as possible for a 12"
Nope. I could have JL Audio, but I don't feel my product lineup needs it. Kicker is already being sold in Fargo by one of my competitors, and quite honestly I have ZERO desire to sell it. That's not saying that those two product lines are junk, because they are not by any means. It's just that at some point you have to say "Enough lines already!!" I reached that point when I picked up Zapco, RE Audio, USAmps, Kenwood, Clarion, Infinity, DB Drive, and MTX. Here is my take on each of the brands listed above. Some may disagree, and that is fine. Zapco: Bar none, the best amplifier manufacturer around. Some of the best built, best designed, highest quality amplifiers on the market. With balanced inputs and line drivers included with EVERY reference series or higher they have truly raised the bar in regards to clean input signal voltage (I will post some more info on this in another post.) Their speaker lineup is 2nd to none as well...well built with rigid, light carbon fiber cones, cast baskets and superb sound, you cannot go wrong. You do have to pay for this type of quality so that makes them not for everybody. If you want cheap, this is not your brand. If you want brutal power and exceptional sound quality on the other hand...... RE Audio: AMAZING subwoofers. Good luck finding a more versatile sub than their XXX series. Want amazing sounding, powerful bass? Look no further. With products ranging from $109 (RE8) to $2248 (XXX18) MSRP, there is a sub to meet anyones budget and musical choices. Of course, I do not sell at MSRP pricing and there are some unbelievable price breaks I can offer (though I cannot list pricing online) USAmps: Great amplifiers, this company has been around forever it seems. They have a near cult like following and are known for great sound at a great price. Kenwood: I don't think I need to explain this line to anyone. Very nice quality year-in and year-out. Edit 4-4-07 (Kenwood Excelon has been pulled from all distributors, only way to buy them is to go direct....with a huge buy in....I am no longer doing Excelon) Clarion: They offer a little of everything, much like Kenwood does. I feel they may have the single best competition grade deck on the market. Infinity: Great bang-for-the-buck gear. Their amplifiers are solid and their "Perfect" series components and subwoofers are truly astounding deals. DB Drive: Fast becoming a favorite amongst SPL competitors, their equipment is reliable and priced right. MTX: Everyone knows who MTX is and how well respected they are in this industry. I don't think i have a lot that I can add that hasn't been said about this brand already.
As in Pioneer Premier? Or are you looking for premier as in top-of-the-line? If the 2nd choice is what you need, look at the Clarion DRZ9255 Enjoy your music like it was intended to be heard No other source unit combines the DRZ9255’s dedication to pure sonic performance with signal processing power at this level. The 24-bit 96kHz D/A converter recreates music without any phase shift or attenuation - the result is silky smooth, incredibly life-like and detailed sound that deserves the name Clarion. The incredible accuracy of the time alignment, parametric equalization and built-in crossovers make it easier than ever to tune your system perfectly. Housed in a copper plated chassis and powered by an external DC-DC power supply, the DRZ9255 is the only choice for the true audio enthusiast. * Dual 24-bit / 96 kHz Sampling Digital-to-Analog Burr-Brown Converters and DSP * Built-In 4-Way Crossovers * 5-Band Parametric Equalizer * Digital Time Alignment for Each Line Level Output * 8-Channel/4-Volt Gold Plated Oxygen-Free Copper RCA Outputs * 0.5dB-Step Electronic Volume Adjustment Circuit * Copper Plated Chassis * External DC/DC Converter * CeNET Control of Optional CD Changer, TV Tuner and iPod Interface * Two 2-Channel AUX Inputs * Zinc Die-Cast Faceplate * Fiber Optic Input/Output * Vacuum Florescent Display * 18FM/6AM Presets * Remote Control Included Conventional CD Players Can Only Reproduce Frequencies Up to Around 20 kHz The spiral pattern on CDs represents numbers (“digit†means “numberâ€). These numbers represent measurements of an audio signal (and other data). 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Ironically, high-frequency harmonics can affect the details and the depth of sound. 96 kHz Oversampling Enables Reproduction That Is More Faithful to the Original Source The 96 kHz digital anti-imaging filter interpolates samples into the audio signal from the disc at a speed more than twice as fast as the CD standard sampling rate of 44.1 kHz. This is the first such digital filter designed for vehicle audio. Without oversampling, the signal from a CD must be filtered in the analog domain to reduce high-frequency noise, and such analog filters cause phase (time) distortion. Oversampling filters are free from phase distortion, so they deliver more musical detail and more of the realistic resonances of real live sound. Copper Plated Chassis Reduces Distortion and Noise The use of a copper plated chassis minimizes the creation of spurious electrical currents that could distort the audio signal. Additionally, the copper plating can reduce noise because it creates an insulating shield. Zinc has a high specific gravity, high rigidity, and low resonance, so a die-cast zinc panel can reduce distortion caused by vibration. Because components such as the power supply, VFD devices for the display, and the drive mechanism can cause noise in the signal, those components are externally positioned away from the audio signal. Burr-Brown Advanced Segment 24-Bit Digital-to-Analog Converter After the data from the disc goes through the 96-kHz filter, it is processed by a Burr-Brown advanced segment 24-bit DAC with superior dynamics and resistance to clock jitter. The Digital-to-Analog conversion is highly accurate because the DAC’s internal structure is a four DAC configuration operating on an L–R differential signal. Turning the Display OFF to Turn Sound Quality ON When the DRZ9255 plays a CD or other source, its display can be turned off to minimize interference from circuits that can otherwise degrade sound quality. The DRZ9255’s DC / DC Converter Keeps Great Sound In and Keeps Noise Out The DRZ9255 is truly an audiophile source unit. Its external DC / DC converter is comprised of components of the highest quality from its input wiring through its chassis to its output fuses. This power supply gives the DRZ9255 both strength and precision, and its six-sided shielded casing repels noise even during high-load bursts. To prevent even the smallest vibration, the power supply is wrapped in a die-cast aluminum casing and a copper plated chassis. Toroidal choke coils inside the power supply minimize induced vehicle noise and loss of power. A large capacity low impedance condenser allows this external component to supply pure power. Clarion takes this one step beyond by equipping this power supply with a gold plated connection terminal to further minimize power loss. The World’s Best 0.7 Cm per Step Digital Arrival Time Alignment This function lets you delay signals going through as many as eight channels so sound from all speakers can arrive at one location simultaneously. Arrival times can be optimized for the driver, front passenger, both front seats, rear seats, or all seats. You can quickly and easily select the system’s acoustic pattern… or choose settings based on the type of vehicle or number of passengers. Signals can be delayed for differences in distance of up to 500 centimeters (over 16 feet) in increments of 7 millimeters (approximately one forth of an inch). I can offer this unit for $925....shipped to your door (continental USA)
Zapco's take on specs Specifications You Can Hear Our dedication to sonic purity, and to the concept of cumulative error demands that we design and build our amplifiers and processors to be the cleanest in the industry. ZAPCO amplifiers are the standard by which all other amplifiers are measured. However, it concerns us when one specification THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) that can’t be heard in most modern, high-end amplifiers becomes the only meaningful specification manufacturers seem to publish. THD is only one of a number of specifications that make ZAPCO amplifiers sound better than other brands. Of the four primary specifications, it is probably the least obvious in normal use. Damping Factor: The most common misconception about ZAPCO amplifiers is that we drastically under-rate our power output. Not true, it just sounds that way. Today’s music, of all genres, has a great deal of bass content. Damping describes the amps ability to control a woofer. An amp with poor damping will leave bass notes sounding soft and undefined, regardless of its power. In most amp lines, the largest units have damping factors between 100 and 200. Since rock solid bass is perceived as a function of power, our 100-watt amp sounds like other brands 300-watt amps. Slew Rate: A similar situation exists in the higher frequencies. Ever turn up the volume and hear cymbals sounding like fingernails on a blackboard? That’s because the amplifier simply wasn’t fast enough to accurately reproduce the high frequency tonality of the cymbals. A higher slew rate means a faster amplifier, which means crystal clear high frequency reproduction. ZAPCO amps have the highest slew rates in the industry. Once again, clear defined, sound is perceived as a function of power. Signal to Noise Ratio: Noise is an ever-present problem in auto sound reproduction. ZAPCO approaches this problem in two ways. The first is at the input source. All Reference amplifiers can use the SymbiLink™ balance line inputs, which drastically reduce the noise coming into the amp. Secondly, ZAPCO amps are built with the highest quality, lowest noise components available. We have the highest signal to noise ratios in the industry. The extra money we spend on better components is directly rewarded with better sound. Stereo Separation: The ability of an amplifier to maintain the separation between the right and left channels is what allows an amplifier to reproduce an accurate sound stage. Music is recorded with each instrument in its own location on a sound stage. You should hear it the same way in your vehicle. Results: To assure that no ZAPCO product ever fails to meet our level of expectation, we must build all products to exceed our specifications by a comfortable margin. Our superior design and construction give our amplifiers advantages that go beyond power output and provide a sound quality difference you will hear the moment you turn your system on. A WORD ABOUT “WEIGHTED” SPECIFICATIONS Most of the time, when you see specifications, they will be preceded by the term “A” weighted. “A” weighting is a way of coloring numbers to make specifications look better. About the only place you can find specs that aren’t “A” weighted is in ZAPCO manuals and literature. We publish only “raw” specs at ZAPCO. If we don’t like the specifications of one of our products we’ll make it better, not try to make the numbers look better.
I had a RE audio HC 15, which is now the MX line. Killer sub, sounded much MUCH better than my 2 JL 15" W6s and louder. I actually tried to sell it on here a while ago. To heavy for the WRX, the sub alone weighed 40lbs! But a friend picked it up and my Hifonics 1500d. It replaced his JLs to and he like it better than them also. JL is so/so. Good products but overpriced to all hell. RE audio is/was a great audio company, they were based out of Las Vega's. They were recently bought out by the same guy who bought out US amps. Looks like they haven't changed up the design yet, since RE just released the new models last Spring. So only time will tell if they stay a huge value. But in the audio world they are highly regarded, just not mainstream. US amps has gone down in quality somewhat, no longer 100% built in the US, alot of boards come from China now. But still a solid brand. Just not uber premium like they were. Dynapar, I would look at a RE RE series sub or the SR. But I have heard the RE series and it is very similar to the type R, maybe lacking some SPL but has all of the SQ if not more. RE audio is good quality speakers. I'd go that over the Type-R all things being equall.
Just called my Rep and it appears that the distributor network for Excelon no longer exists and that I would need to have a huge buy in/huge stock to even be considered by them. So at this point in time, I am no longer able to source Excelon series from Kenwood and thus cannot quote you a price on this unit.
Thank you for the vote of confidence. Here are some vids from www.realmofexcursion.com featuring RE Audio subs. http://realmofexcursion.com/brands/reaudio.htm
Premier as Pioneer. Right now I think that I am going to get the DEH-P590IB. Is ther anything good that you have similar to it for under $200. I need a ipod input and rca out for front channel and sub. Can you also pm me the price on the Infinity Reference 611a I have a RE SX good sub recomend it to anyone that wants good bass for a decent price.
Clarion DXZ675USB For $225 (slightly over what you wanted to pay...I'll post another less expensive option if you wish. Experience your music like never before Digital sound has never sounded so good. With Clarion’s Sound Restorer signal processing and a unit 24-Bit DAC - the result is music so pure, so detailed, it will be like it’s the first time you’ve heard it. * CD-R/RW ready * MP3, WMA and iTunes® AAC Compatible with ID3-TAG display * Rear USB connector * 18 FM/ 6 AM Presets * iPod control capability via optional EA1276 * Subwoofer volume control * 24-bit D/A converter * Sound Restorer * Digital ZEnhancer sound customization * 2-band parametric equalizer * MAGNA BASS EX dynamic bass enhancement * Built-in LPF/HPF * 53W × 4 Built-in MOS-FET Amplifier * Motorized sloping control panel * Full dot display with Screensavers * "SLIDETRAK" for dynamic operation * RCA Auxiliary Input with Level Control * 6ch/6V RCA Output * CeNET Control of: DVD changer, TV Tuner, 6-Disc CD Changer, Satellite Receiver and iPod * OEM Steering Wheel Remote Ready * Bluetooth Interface Ready (Optional BLT370) 24-Bit D/A Converter LargeView Conventional D/A Converters just can’t compare to Clarion’s 24-Bit DAC with Noise Shaper. The result of years of engineering, this new D/A features a 24-bit D/A Converter combined with incredible 128x over sampling to realize detailed high frequency reproduction and incredible S/N ratios. Experience your favorite music like you’ve never heard it before. Sound Restorer Hear your music the way it was meant to be heard. Clarion’s Sound Restorer recreates the high frequency information that is lost during compression. The result is clear and detailed sound - the way it was meant to be heard. Full-Dot LCD Display The HMI display in the DXZ675USB features a full-dot LCD design to provide information that is easy-to-read and incredibly detailed. Bluetooth® Ready Talk on your cellular phone or enjoy your favorite album - wirelessly. Simply connect the BLT370 Bluetooth interface to your DXZ675USB for high quality, wireless audio. Also, check out the DXZ575USB for $200
Major differences between the Pioneer and the Clarion: Clarion has a better Ipod interface IMO Clarion has a higher voltage preout (easier on the amps, cleaner sound) Clarion has a USB port should you decide to use a thumb drive to store music I feel Clarion has a better aesthetic appeal, that may just be me though Clarion has a 24 bit DA converter/Pioneer is only 16 bit Clarion offers OEM Steering Wheel Remote Ready so you can use those functions found on your steering wheel (if vehicle is equipped w/ controls on steering wheel)
any way you can get a hold of the Pioneer. Also how much would the ipod adapter for the clarion cost.
Haha, a whole lot. http://www.reaudio.com/woofers.html But for a compairable RE speaker to the Type R. I would go with the SR and SE series. Preferably the SE, but it will probably much more sub than a Type-R. Basically, what do you want? Sound quality, SPL or a bit of both. All RE subs are geared towards SQL, but the RE series is a great entry level sub. What amp will be driving it?
i have a Hifonics Brutus 1000. I am not looking for uber SPL or anything crazy. i just want to add some more depth to my normal stereo setup. my infinity 1220 worked pretty good, till is went weird on me. also I want to be able to run a very small sealed box. i know with the type it is possible to run a 1cubic foot box no problem. also lighter = better.
Well, the SE will play nicely in a 1^3 box. Its 21lbs, so no lightweight, but it will take everything that 1000d will throw at it Otherwise the SR could go into a .5^3 box, but you may have to adjust the gains a little lower to keep from clipping it. Just get the dual 2ohm so you can wire it down to 1ohm for your amp and let'er bang:rockwoot:
^ sweet, thanks for the info. a 12" in a .5^3 box would be tiny! do you think its worth it to spring for the SE over the SR?
The SE is a better sub in every way. So... Yes Unless you use your trunk alot and need the space. But all in all, there will still be a box basically taking up room no matter what. Go with the SE, its better suited for your amp, the box you aleady have and sounds good and gets loud.
Sweet. i will make a new box for it though. my current box is a 3^3 foot box. it is huge. part of the reason i want smaller is to carry more in the trunk. how does the 10" stack up to the 12"? tjamz: can i get a price check on the RE, SE 12" and 10". Thanks
Thanks Dizmal for the good words...I should get you on my staff..lol. I will shoot you a PM here shortly Dynapar....
Unfortunately, no I have no way to get Pioneer legitimately. Ipod adapter I will have to call and check on tomorrow.
got your pm. kinda spendy, but i suppose you get what you pay for. i will see if i can scrap up some extra cash. in teh mean time could you send me prices for the SR line. thanks
