Best suggestion for extreme high end performance shop in 5 state area

Definitely RS Motors.

 

Will this "extreme" project run on Mountain Dew?

 

PM me some details I am interested in hearing what you want to do.

 

Ah Juks car is at RS right now. Just installed Vandi's fine work.

 

I'd suggest calling up a few shops to talk about what you want to do, what your goals are, and how you intend to use the car. Unless it's a secret, you could post them up here and more than a handful of members could tell you whether your goals are reasonable and what kind of budget you'd be looking at.

I'm not sure what you mean by "extreme," but assuming you mean building the block, relocating the turbo/intercooler, and choosing the supporting mods as opposed to something like switching to mid-engined rwd with a front mounted cooling system, there are a number of places to look at.

Personally, if I were going to commission all of the work, I would consider RS at the top of a short list because of their experience, results, staff, support, and equipment. Between Ronnie and Matt, you're not going to find a local shop with more mechanical, tuning, and diagnostic knowledge and experience when it comes to Subarus. They also have a respectable amount of seat time with non-Subaru platforms.

 

I guess my biggest question is, what for? What exactly is it you are trying to accomplish? 650HP? That can be done in your own garage if you have some knowhow and can read Nasioc threads. If you are trying to keep your project top secret, let me go ahead and break your dreams, if you aren't placing the engine in the ass end of the car and adding a 3rd pair of axles, then your project has already been done before. So, it would behoove you to just lay it out on the table so people can help you find the assistance you need. Asking what is the best performance shop in the area is just going to yield a crap ton of fanboy cockriding. Be more specific about your goals and people will likely have an easier time pointing you in the right direction.
I have no doubt that DB and RS can both build a decent motor capable of 650whp. It's been done. Several times before this. So you simply follow the formula and do it. 650whp and some stickers isn't a PURPOSE. What PURPOSE does the car serve? Because then you might be looking at multiple shops to meet your needs instead of going one-stop for all of it. My only experiences with DB or RS are on the motor/tuning side. I can't say I've ever seen anything suspension/frame related from either of them in terms of Subaru. I know Matt at RS is highly capable, but I don't remember any proven work from RS or DB in terms of Suspension builds. And someone here can likely elaborate on examples of that from either shop...but you aren't going to get those elaborations unless you yourself elaborate on what your project entails and what it is you want this car to do.

Cliff's Notes: Tell us more about your project or this is just going to turn into a fanboy cock fight.

 

And turn off the italics, it's hard on the eyes.

 

Wow, are you stupid. Did you even read my post? If he wants 650whp, more power to him. That wasn't my point at all. My point is, posting a vague description of your project and expecting a one-stop shop to get it all done based on the suggestions of biased forum users is foolishness. He needs to provide more info about his project if he wants the suggestions to be more precise. There was no E-thuggery, learn what that means before you go blathering on about it, it makes you look like less of an emotional toolbag. And it has nothing to do with being a moderator either, or flexing my e-peen or whatever. Seriously, are you retarded or something? Where do you get this crap?

The people who give a crap "why" he wants 650hp are the people that are trying to give him suggestions on a shop. If we simply go by the 650whp standard, both shops will get the job done. Does he want just a motor build? Drivetrain too? Is this for drag racing? Time attack? Auto-X? Track days? Street use? Are you really this clueless to how a proper question and answer session works? Do you walk into Burger King and ask for "a hamburger" and get pissed when they give you a plain hamburger when what you really wanted was a Whopper with cheese, bacon, hold the mayo, extra pickles and onions? Specific details get specific answers. That works on forums, and in life in general. Pull yourself out from under the retard rock and get a ****ing clue.

And are you seriously pulling the "sub-300HP people" card out? Those people might not make 650whp, but there is a good chance they know who in the community DOES, and WHERE they got it done. Are you trying to imply that I have less than 300whp? As if that is some sort of badge of honor? You can shove your elitism and your 'y'alls e-thuggin' crap right back up your ass where you found it.

 

Just based on these questions alone, you could build the car 6-7 different ways. A drag car will be built a completely different way than a track car.

People can build a 300whp motor 100 different ways with 5 different fuels and 50 different turbo's to choose from. I will admit, that once you get up in the 650 area you won't have as many options, but there will still be options. Do you want 650whp at 5k or at 7k?? Both will use completely different turbos and both cars will drive completely different. Same with what fuels you want to use. No way in hell would I use e85 for a dedicated track car. Yea, it is cheap and just like race gas, problem is that every tank of fuel will be a bit different. You tune it for 110 or c16 and you are pretty much guaranteed consistant performance lap after lap. For a drag car, e85 all the way. You are only on the gas for sub 12 seconds then you have a nice cool down. Even if the tune is a little off, your run time is small enough to save a motor.

Russ

 

Not really, that short sighted opinion seems to be par for the course for you, so no, I don't find it hard to believe that you would think that way. Maybe it doesn't occur to you, who knows, but just because someone is fine with a Stage2 WRX doesn't mean they don't have knowledge of where the big build cars get done. Or that they haven't experienced them first hand.
And what does 'not being from around here' have anything to do with not giving more information to people to get a solid answer?
Wait wait wait. I knew this felt familiar. We've done this dance before. You're the guy that was giving the delicious victim complex milk to that chucker clown when he didn't give enough information and got all asshurt because nobody answered his damsel in distress call over 4th of July weekend. The cries about e-thugging. The comment about moderator e-peen. Yeah, my participation in this thread ends now. I wont play along with this whole Team Victim-Complex thing you like to get into.

OP, good luck with your build.

 

That's really THE point when it comes to "how should I" or "who should I contact" to mod my car questions. The answer is always going to be "it depends."

A 650hp subaru, depending on the application, will have different suspension, transmission, safety, aero, braking, and tire needs. Russ gave a few good examples of hardware, tuning, and fueling differences for different builds. He even eluded to fuel capacity. Building a drag car with fuel cell is going to be a completely different task than building a time attack car that retains the stock fuel tank. Both will need an upgraded fuel system (pumps, rails, injectors at minimum), but one can end up much more elaborate than the other.

Take that a step further and think about what the ideal aero set-up would be between a high-speed road course set-up and stage rally. Is a sequential auto a better set-up or will a stock 6-speed with upgraded diffs and diff controller be enough? How about braking and cooling to the brakes? If the OP is talking about an 06-07 STi, what about fender modifications to fit wider wheels and tires? Should they go with the 07 over the 06 for the wider track from the slightly different control arms? Or do they end up rebuilding it altogether and go with a tubular front end? Will it be raced? If so, under what rules? Will it need a cage? A fire suppression system? Will it need to be stripped, including pruning of the wiring harness? It all depends on the application and what they want to get out of it.

 

also, best post in this thread.

IBOPistrolling

 

Definitely for that extra 1hp, go with World Motor Cars. David LaValle can get you where you need to go.

 

Guess how I know you don't have any idea what you're talking about?

If you'd have been to any of the meets then you'd realize you're talking out of your ass.

Please stop.