For anyone getting a GTR from Wis/Ill, check it out. http://www.gtrblog.com/index.php/2008/09/24/dealers-busted-drag-racing-pre-delivery-?blog=4 Russ
Oh man thats funny!!! If that guy doesn't get fired I would be shocked ... assuming he works at the dealership.
yeah, no crap....I assume they didn't hand you and 3rik the keys to the 08 sti when it arrived and told you to go race it not fair:laugh:
I know I used to race the new 350Z's and Benzo's from the truck they got dropped off to the gas station ... but thats different I never would take them to a track.
Yeah they were nothing special though and it wasn't really racing it was just speeding down American Blvd.
I hope someone gets canned and the purchaser get tons of cash off. They destroyed the break-in period on such an awesome car they don't own. **** them. I called a few dealerships in that area, and it seems that Waukesha Nissan may be the culprit. The GM of Sales is going to call me back.
Dragging a car on the break-in period is definitely something to REALLY nock down the purchasers price. I cant imagine the life they just took off of that motor.
From what Josh (MCJT), they're already broken in from the factory and ready to go off the lot. :biggrin:
I doubt this drag racing did anything to harm the motor on that car. Most of the cars now dont even need to be broken in.
There is and always will be a break in period. Simple as that. Unless they start putting a 1000 miles on the engine on a stand, you're going to have to break it in. Whether you choose to do it, is completely up to you. If you want it to last, you should probably consider doing it right.
m3s for example have a chip in them that makes them only have 3/4 or 1/2 the power and after your first oil change they unlock the chip.
Piston rings and camshaft lobes don't get seated on their own. Its a simple fact. Not to say you should never put the wood to it at all, but driving like an ******* right off the lot is foolish.
Thank you exactly my point right here. New cars are built with much higher precision and do not need much of a break-in at all. The way you drive a brand new car will not affect its longevity or performance in a long run like it did with older car.
What is funny, it has NOTHING to do with the miles. NOTHING. (motor wise) It is all time based. It has to do with how many times the crankshaft has turned. #1 car sits and idles for 3 hours and never moves #2 car drives 5 miles Which car will break in the motor quicker?? Like Tom stated, there are many different ways to break in motors, and I am willing to bet the 95% of most modern cars don't need a break in period. Between the run time that is on the motor at assembly, the run time after the car is built, the run time from the car being moved from the factory, to the trucks, onto the boats, onto the trains, onto the trucks, into the dealerships. These motors probably already have 2-3 hours on them before the dealership even gets the car. Either the rings will seat, or they will not. You will know what you have right away. There is no motor magic that happens at mile 1000. I can tell you that within the first 50 miles of owning my car, that I knew at what speed the tranny shifted from drive to over drive (120 if anyone cares). Russ
Back OT - If I learned in hindsight that my new high-buck hotty had been fisted prior to me having a chance I would be on a war path. Those cars should be sold as used and if someone had purchased them new unaware of these shenanigans those buyers should be offered their choice of $XX,XXX cash back or a new car.
Well you can go about it however you want, every builder i have EVER talked about break in with has never been torn. You show me someone that just built a block to even better specs than a factory that wont be properly breaking it in, its simply stupid to think you dont have to, parts dont magically seat themselves. furthermore, taras we know that wasnt the point you were trying to make, Tom stepped in and gave some insight on another point of view that you could pick up and claim as your own, luck.
Rings need not only pressure, but vacuum for break in. Most major engine builders recommendations I've seen say spend a lot of quality time in vacuum, and slowly bring on more boost as the miles tick away. Driving like an angel for 1000-1500 miles and then hammering on it is not ideal. Also, tolerances have nothing to do with the rings wearing into the cylinder wall. The surface is rough off the bat and tighter piston to wall clearnace plays no factor in the rings wearing the roughness off. Your piston to wall clearance also varies depending on what material the pistons are made out of. A 4000 series alloy, like most after market pistons, will run a looser clearance than say a 2000 series alloy like all the factory forged pistons. In the end, if I found out that this $100k (after current gauging) car I ordered a long time ago was raped at the track some some grimy sales guy, I would be none too happy, and I'm sure Nissan USA would not be either.
Yup. We can argue all day long about how and when proper break in occurs, but I think that everyone will agree that what these asshats did is just flat out wrong.
I hope they lost their jobs. There is absolutely no need for racing a car that does not belong to you. Secondly, the story could be false. One of the drivers or both, could have just purchased the cars, although they shouldn't be on dealer plates in that case. They would be on temp permits if the car was actually sold.
Lost their jobs and had to pay for the difference a NEW vs. USED car. That's what I'd say if I were their manager.
Since this thread is going to be closed, here is another link that has way more info. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1603740 Russ
NOW. Back on topic: I wanna take the IS-Fail out on a strip, just so I can see first hand how badly it SUCKS. :laugh:
if i read correctly on the link of op the cars were bought that day and then went to the track. i could be wrong i am alot
Usually people that buy a car don't leave with dealer plates and still have the plastic over the seats.
By law, the plastic has to be removed from everything but the carpet before the car can be legally sold.