Pre-Production Pics are out. Looks kinda cool. But looks too much like a prius to me:roll: http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/?evar10=DIVISIONAL_HOMEPAGE_LEFTPROMO1_VOLT
GM killed their first electric car (the EV1) and now were all spose to buy into this one. Bunch O bull**** if you ask me.
I would not be surprised it will happend again. I hope they make it and it becomes a popular. I bet the price on this car will be way too high and no one will buy it (or so they will say) and EV1 all over again.
To anybody that hasn't seen "Who killed the electric car" I would deffinately watch it. Very interesting documentry.
Dont talk about it. I loved that documentary, but dont talk about it on here. Its not going to end well. I learned it the hard way. I used to have close to 5000 posts
like it was about that documentary that made you lose your posts.. not every other thread (raises eyebrows)
It pisses me off when electric cars are called "zero emissions". They are NOT zero emissions if you are plugging it into an electric socket. Where do you think the vast majority of all those kW's are coming from? That's right, a COAL BURNING power plant. You are simply shifting the source of the emissions. Get it right..... -Steve
Debatable. You can opt to get most of your energy from renewable energy like wind and solar. And they are zero emission, because they dont pollute directly.
but how do they power the machinery that makes the wind turbines and solar panels??? thats right coal power...its all one big circle
It doesn't actually make me angry, more frustrated because it's a huge bit of false advertising IMO. I think wind turbines are the best renewable energy resource out there right now for areas that can utilize them (hint hint, think western MN and the Dakotas....), they are by far the cheapest per kW. The pollution due to their manufacture is inevitable and they will probably be able to far offset their production "cost" in terms of pollution by the energy they can produce. Everything has a cost. -Steve
Figure out a way to utilize solely renewable energy sources to produce MORE renewable energy equipment and THEN you are on to something.... Sorry, not trying to derail the original topic, I think more companies need to start pushing for innovations on electric cars/hybrids because ultimately it will push the automotive industry in a new direction. Hopefully it will be away from reliance on gasoline. I'm curious to know the cost per mile running solely on the electric motor. (As in, cost of electricity used to charge car divided by number of miles on that charge). I bet it would make your electricity bill sky rocket. At 10 cents per kilowatt hour, with a standard 15A 120V AC plug in a garage running full tilt for 8 hours to charge over night (assumed), it would cost: 0.10*15*120*8/1000 = $1.44. Divide that by 40 miles (per charge) and it's $0.036 per mile. Not too shabby..... This is all theoretical though. For reference, the average car getting 25MPG at 3.50/gallon costs about $0.14/mile to drive. -Steve
I just hate electric cars for the BATTERIES. Those things are horrible for the environment as well. Electric isn't the answer, its another E85 "just wait for hydrogen" thing.
Even still, we're better burning coal that we acquire locally to power our vehicles than buying oil from the middle east. Also, we do have the technology to capture pretty much all of the CO2 eminating from coal fired power plants and convert it into food grade baking soda.
So that's how the dealers are going to get 6k or so for them. It's not the cost of the batteries, it's the labor of taking them out and putting them in :laugh: Sarcasm isn't your strong suit is it... I'm not a big fan of the batteries either, but Toyota does have a recycling program in place for them. However, my main gripe with them is that they're a frigging nightmare when someone crashes the car, especially if they rupture that battery pack and/or it catches on fire. I personally like the diesel option myself, I think that it's a much better and more viable technology and it gets much better real world mileage than a hybrid. Yup, like a rivet on the Titanic.
When you're getting 50+mpg on diesel, and you're saving the difference in price premium between a hybrid and a diesel (yes, I realize both are more expensive than a comparable gas motor, but hybrids tend to have a higher price premium) then you'll be recouping that money much faster than if you were driving a hybrid. Not to mention the option of running vegetable oil as a cheaper fuel, and the gain in power and driveability over a hybrid for me makes it a no brainer. If Chevy manages to bring that Volt in at a decent price, I think they'll sell every one they make.
Even recycling batteries pollutes like MAD. Also they use some HORRIBLE chemicals to do such a thing. I still stand strong that batteries are a farce and just taking people away from working on GOOD low pollution vehicles.
