If they can put the EJ in the brz chassis im almost sure you would be able to fit the FA in the wrx chassis
I'm pretty sure Subaru built the motor in the BRZ. Toyota provided the direct injection system. I'm almost certain the 2.0L in the BRZ/FRS is just a newer impreza 2.0i motor with different heads, and a higher CR due to a longer stroke.
Toyota and Yamaha took the Subaru block and heads, reworked them and retuned them. It's clearly based on subaru's design but was reworked. That, the different bore and stroke (then the standard Subaru FB20) and my the head rework play big factors.
If you watch the video crawford will tell you what they put down on a EJ25 sti block vs the FA block with the same turbo. That motor has monster potential.
The BRZ is a great car. Watching that video makes me want to trade my WRX in on one ... but I think it would take a factory turbo option to get me to pull the trigger.
The car is perfectly balanced as is. Why would it need a turbo option? Or you could just turbo it yourself.
Exactly! Drive the car and enjoy it as it sits, its amazingly fun as it stands. Appreciate how well the car is balanced and how precision the steering in the car is. Then if you want more power and you can handle it, throw a turbo on there. The stock motor can take the power.
I feel personally after driving my brz for about 2 months now that alot of the "needs more power""needs a turbo" comments come from People that either A. Have never driven it. B. Are not drivers of the car they let cars drive them and all they do is slam the pedal to the floor till redline. That is not how the car is ment to be driven in my opinion. It is setup to be driven a lot like a rotary style car higher in the rev range and pushed into the corners hard.
To me 250-300 is the max that car should have. It is a well balanced car and that much power tips the scales. Yamaha did a good job making that engine rev happy.
I dunno .. I guess I just like the "push you into the seat" feel. I have driven one, and it drove great ... it just lacked that "torquey" feel that I like (if that makes sense .. dunno how else to describe it). I'm not knocking the car at all ... I really like alot of things about it, but I feel it needs a bit more power for how I like my cars to feel. Just my personal preference.
It isn't that kind of car. If you want shoved into the seat power from a RWD car, get a Mustang. The BRZ is a driver's car, not a drag (dummy) racing car.
The brz/frs can be whatever car you want it to be. We can sit in this thread and babble on and on about what it should or shouldnt be. The fact is its just opinion. These cars have been heavily modded for drag/track/drift with most of the applications being turbo charged. To say a turbo is ruining its balance or that your not driving it right if you want/need a turbo is just dumb. My opinion
While this is true nobody outright said turboing it was stupid. However buying a $25k car just to build the motor so you can turbo it isn't the most cost effective idea. If you have the money go for it. But as others have stated this car wasn't designed for all out acceleration. Personally I'd say you should drive one at the track before saying comments one way or the other. But opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
Agreed. Personally I rather have more power and not needing it, than going down straights rocking my body wanting the car to go faster.
Of course. But none of us (at least from what I have heard) have bought a BRZ and built the motor yet. Of course I'd be more than happy to see somebody prove me wrong, lol.
How many of us have left our WRX/STI alone because we thought it had enough power. I think the BRZ is a great platform and is getting great reviews for its handling and driving properties. I do believe it will benefit greatly from a bump in the ponies department. Maybe not going to Crawford Performance extreme, but 15-25 horses and 35-50 torques will make a huge difference in a 2700 lb car. The new motor is proving very capable of making big power, and it is fun to see shops taking it to the extremes, but to keep the car within the design specs as a pure drivers car there is a point of diminishing returns. In talking with someone going from an STI on E85 to the BRZ, it will take a while to stop missing the "push into your seat" feel. The BRZ in stock form will not ever give you that.
Drive a 500whp-ish STI with the early 6-speed down the strip to it's full low 11s/high 10s potential (ending in 5th gear) and then tell me about how drag racing is for dummies.
It's not the point on who has a brz, its the point that people spend lots of money on their car to modify even though they spent lots just on buying the car...xluben comes to mind...I don't know many people that buy and build a car efficiently the first time.
This really has me wanting to stop spending money and start a BRZ account. However, I do like the idea of a summer soft top... but that makes it more street then track car. I am torn, because a summer track car has equal appeal. Either way, I need to get a damn raise, or start turning wrenches at the shop.
My point was that you are looking for seat of your pants drag power from a car that wasn't developed to do that at all. Yes, you can buy a BRZ and stuff a bunch of parts into it and make it a drag car. But there are other platforms that will out perform it with far less investment because that is what they are good for. It's funny, because in the Shoutbox today we were discussing the Subaru owner's "Jack of all trades" delusion. Here it is again. Having a goal in mind, but buying a car that requires extensive work, time and money to achieve it when there are already perfectly viable cars that accomplish that goal seems irresponsible at best. Maybe I'm getting old. But I've been down the $50k Subaru Swiss Army Knife Fail Road already once, and I looking back, I regret it. For the money I put into making a Subaru into a fast car, I could have simply bought a fast car. And I would have had more time to actually drive it, and spent less time replacing expensive aftermarket parts and doing other repairs. If I were in the market for a nimble track car, I'd get a BRZ. If seat of my pants highway driving was my goal, I'd get something else. For slightly more than BRZ money you can get into plenty of fast highway cruisers that wont cost you 50k to make fast.
Well, I was not implying I wanted 400hp or to build a car like the Crawford BRZ ... just a factory turbo option that put down a little more power. The stock BRZ only has 150 tq, which is less than a NA Forester. I think stock WRX power (250ish hp/tq) would feel great in a BRZ ... especially for those of us who just drive our cars on the streets and could care less about the track. The current lack of torque makes the car feel very slow under 4k rpm. But your right ... people should buy cars that suit their needs / wants. Which is why I have not bought a BRZ.
AP has tuned the BRZ up to 600 HP on stock internals (yes, even with the very high compression), and now they are pushing over 750, but not sure if they still have stock internals or not. The open deck FA20 is stronger than any closed deck EJ (a claim made by AP, Crawford, and several others) showing how far engines have come.... $15 grand for a 75o HP turbo kit and a 25-30k car isn't a bad deal, but that truly isn't what a BRZ should be used for (in my opinion). If you look at the videos on youtube of Subaru engineers talking about engineering the BRZ, one of the points they focused on was how overbuilt the car and how they focused on making it prime for the aftermarket. AP also claims the 750-BRZ launches harder than most super cars can manage (and this is coming from someone who has two 6/7 second Supra's).... Oh! And redline was approaching 10,000 on the 600 HP stock internal build...
