Father badly beaten after trying to protect daughter at Valleyfair

Sound like gang bangers to me.


Oh yeah, Valleyfair's security is a joke. I worked there for a summer. If I wanted to I could sneak in there at any time.

 

That's just great. It's just a felony...let em go...

BS! Cut off their hands, and let's see 'em fight back! Better yet, target practice...

 

That makes me angry.

 

I'm wondering exactly what the father said that would warrant that epic beatdown.

 

Unfortunatly, as part of that whole presumed innocent thing the founding fathers wrote this:

Bail can only be enough to ensure they come back to court. (Some other exceptions that don't apply here)

Horrible incident, hopefully the get what's coming to them. In suburban counties, that's pretty likely.

 

bail should be a series of deadly traps, if you make it out you are allowed free

 

Who the **** cares...I can guarantee he didn't say anything that deserves actions like this.

 

bail system in US is a joke, at least for felony.

 

please explain

Ok, again, the US system of law assumes you're innocent until convicted.
If you were innocent, would you want to sit in jail, lose you job and home while waiting for a trial that might take months?
Bail is neccesary for this reason.
Most people are guilty? Certainly. But some aren't and that's who we have the proections for.

Franklin's rolling over in his grave.

 

my question is.. WHERE THE F**K were anyone else standing around watching?!?!?!

 

There've been a number of studies on this type of behavior and it's quite common and normal, unfortunatly.
Still, yes, someone should have done something, but the likelyhood of that happening is somewhat small.

 

All it takes is one person...then the rest will follow. It's just that nobody wants to be that first person...

 

thats really ****ed up. i have two younger sisters and i can relate very closely. obviously not as a father figure but as a protective older brother. i would have done the exact same thing he did. hopefully he pulls out ok.

 

Exactly.

 

OMG, I don't know what to say. I guess I don't have the mindset of these fools so I can't imagine how they would've thought multiple people beating on one guy is considered fun.

I do believe in harsh punishment though. An eye for an eye. Not only is that father going to be scared for life (if he recovers), his daughter will be too. I hope this is taken into consideration when serving punishment!

However, people need to understand there are repercussions for their actions. I understand the father was probably pretty pissed at the time and wanted to lay some verbal justice down. But when dealing with people nowadays it's probably best to simply flip open the phone and call 911. I'm sure a 911 call with a father explaining his daughter was just violated would've had every bored shakopee cop there within seconds. Ya never know who has a gun or a mob back-up....let the police deal with it, that's what they're there for.

 

yes lets make sure these fockers get charged with sexual assault of a minor so that their butts will be stretched vigorously in jail

 

And names put on a list so everyone can see they like little boys...or girls...:eek3:

 

i hope the 14 year old lives the rest of his life in shame. "Yeah, I kicked an unconscious 41 year old in the face. I'm pretty badass."

retard.

 

It's not the evil of bad people that we should all be afraid of, it's the indifference of good people.

 

im picturing the cage of razor blade/barbed wire in the movie saw. saw 3? maybe 2 idk

 

Apathy kills.

 

This presupposes that "good" people did nothing. Apparently the culprits got caught in the lot so somebody called it in quickly. If you weren't there you can't talk shi+. If it was a squad of hoodlums I challenge anyone to claim that, in a vacuum, knowing nothing of the specific circumstances, they would have unilaterally taken action.

All that being said, the culprits were cowards for touching a young girl and then attacking the dad when he objected. They deserve to DIAF...even the 14yo. Some folks aren't capable of, and don't deserve the opportunity to, rehabilitate themselves. Recidivism rates for suspects/convicts in this category often approaches 1:1 based on feedback from a friend that has been an officer in the local prison system for many years. Burn them at the stake after gaping them. Save taxpayer dollars and law-abiding citizens from crime.

 

Die In A Fire?

 

time to get your permit to carry.

 

I can agree with the first part but, the second part is :roll:. Don't even wanna get into it, do a bit of research before taking everything you hear to heart.

 

+1 Which is why I want to know what the father said.

 

I have. You should.

 

Good to know, and I respect your opinion. I've done my fair share of studying :biggrin: getting this useless degree but thats another story.

 

Conceal/Carry permit

 

One person pulling a gun may have made the issue worse if the *******s had guns too...

 

just the names involved say it all. Race related scull stomp FO'Sha.

 

So I don't know if any of you listen to the KQRS morning show, but they were talking about this story this morning again. Some caller who was there on the 4th called in saying that a Valley Fair employee who she called the 5th of july to complain said there was 15 fights that day. The person who called in said she personally saw 3 of the fights. Sounds like a bunch of wanna-be thug ********ers went to the park looking for a fight. I'm just so sick and tired of this "give me respect, i'm ****ing hard. I'm a bad ass" mentality these days. You want respect? Do something with your life and be a better person. I'm just so sick of this crap.

Also on the morning show they talked about chaingangs/work houses for prisoners. Personally, I'm all for this. Nothing makes me laugh more then the people on the side of the road cleaning up garbage still tryin to look hard and bad ass with their pants around their knees and their hat cocked at a 45 degree angle. If they are gonna sit in prison, make them do something useful. Clean up the trash and make our state look good.

Also, everyone sayign the conceal/carry permit stuff. I just don't know how I feel about that. Now I don't know much about self protection while outside of your house, but I do know about inside the house.

Example: I have a 9mm with 2 full clips in an easy to access area from my bed (this was orginally put there for my wife while I was traveling a lot). Because my bedroom is on the main floor of my house, if someone was to break into my house and even threatin me, by the way I was told about the laws I could not legally shoot them because I have a way to escape via the window. The only way I could would be if I was in my basement or my upstairs room. Something just seems wrong. Many of you have meet my wife, She's tiny. There's no way in hell she'd be able to fend off someone without some kind of weapon. And no, I don't think a bat would do anything, which leaves pepper spray.. which if some crazy ass crack head came though the door isn't gonna do jack.

I guess to end my rant, what I would like to see is something to try to detur (spelling?) people from doing these sorts of acts. Clearly jail is no longer a reason why not to. I'm not saying that jail is a walk in the park (though I've never been), but tuffer laws would maybe stop these spinless pricks from doing this sort of BS. I'm just sick of good citizens like the people on here being violated by dumb ass thugs.

 

Damn, 15 fights in one day.. :eek3:

 

This was very well said!

 

Every time I go somewhere like Valleyfair, Mall of America, or even somewhere like the state fair...It seems like there's groups of "thugs" "posting up" just waiting for a fight. These people are pathetic...they provide nothing but harm to society making it harder for honest people.

 

Yeah, it's rather ironic when these pieces of **** always talk about "respect." How I would love to deficate on these animals to show them what great respect I have for them.

 

Ding ding! I agree with this 100%. the vast majority of repercussions for transgressions are waaaaay too lax.

With the possible exception of minor speeding.

For example, if the punishment for a single DWI was a permanent revocation of your license, I'd wager we'd see a lot fewer people killed by drunk drivers.

Punishment for child rape = firing squad. Theft = removal of a finger.

I'm not joking. People need to learn that there are consequences for their actions. This slap-on-the-wrist bullsh!t is just ridiculous.

WOTVs, I agree with pooping on their heads too. In public for maximum embarrassment and ridicule.

 

Exactly. Sexual assault on a 12 year-old tends to get a decent police response. Certainly, the natural reaction of any father would be to confront, and I can't say I blame him, but it might have been better if he'd called PD.

Re:Onlookers. If you're just one or two people looking on, do you really go in with this mob of people attacking this man? You have no basis to believe that anyone will back you up and you might end up in the same state. (Sub)urban society is so anonymous these days, you don't know the guy behind you or anything about him.

Re:Conceal and carry. Guns carried in the open in a mass public gathering is a recipe for problems. There were 15 fights that day, someone posted. What if one of those involved a C&C owner, or someone just pretending to be one? What if one of these guys had had a gun? In a situation like this, it's not going to be feasible to check who has a permit, or worse, who's a violent felon who's pretending to be C&C.
There's also the fact that while people often have Rambo fantasies, it rarely works out so well in real life than it does in the mind's eye. Someone pulls a gun. One of the guys doesn't stop beating on the guy. Do you fire? Even if firing is justified, we've got a location with lots of innocent people around. What if you miss? Are you that good a shot in the heat of the moment? If you're not an officer/ex-military how do you know? What about the guy next to you? There's a lot of what-ifs in a large public gathering with guns that we'd be better off avoiding.
Also guns on rides sounds like a horrible idea.

Re: Fights that days
Sounds like Valleyfair needs to hire proper secuirty guards instead of minimum wage rent-a-cops. Lots of officers do moonlighting and there are actually competent security companies staffed with people who didn't make it at the academy.
If there is a fight problem at Valleyfair and Valleyfair did nothing to make things safer, look for a civil lawsuit going their way. Medical bills cost $$$ and punks who beat up dads don't have much of it generally.

Actually, you'd see little reduction in 1st time DWI. You'd see a sharp increase in DAR, and a small increase in 3rd degree DWI as PC would be even easier becaus ethe driver was revoked.
What you really need to do is make first time punishments bad enough they don't do it again.
DWI:
1yr in jail/$3000 fine stayed for 2 years on the following conditions
30 days in the workhouse -- no good time or home moitoring, but very flexable work release if eligible (loss of job will likely cause this person to come back for something, and we don't ever want to see you again)
No DAR/insurance charges -- violation automatically imposes the rest of the sentance, no peicemeal crap
Court costs
No drinking and driving (can't blow >.02)
Follow probation

1 year license revocation
After that at least a $1000 fee to get license back

Violation of revocation for DWI 1st time should be 1 year, stay all but 30, consecutive to DWI probation violation.

As for assualt, quite frankly, I think current laws are more than enough. We just need to hold them for the time sentanced. That requires tax monies people just don't want to spend.
No note that people bicth about parole and probabtion, but they can be extremely useful tools to shape behavor.
On a 1st time DWI, I can suspend time over thier heads for 2 years. Thats two years I can enforce zero tolerance drink and drive (>.02), make them get treatment for alcoholism, etc.
For violent crimes, it can be even more useful because we have an officer keeping an eye on them,a nd we can put them away much sooner for a violation that if they actually broke the law. The clear and convincing standard for probation violation is quite a bit lower than reasonable doubt.
It also ahs the advantage of helping those with jobs keep there jobs.
People without jobs are much, much more likely to re-offend, so quite frankly I don't want to make them lose thier job unless it's a last resort.

 

can't a person be a gang member and be a good person?

 

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but actually, yes they can. They're just screwed up.
And being a good person doesn't mean I'm not going to send you to jail.

 

Strange, I don't see these "thugs posting up" when I go to any of those places.

 

You're looking in the wrong places, I think.
I know we have quite a few arrests from Taste of Minnesota, for example.