Not exactly a production model but would be awesome. http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/07/2015-toyota-scion-fr-s-project-car-review.html
I was wondering if anyone would put a turbo on these cars. I've only heard of folks supercharging them.
Sick motor carriage there! What's so different about the new boxer Fa motor that puts out so much more power? That's impressive.
Bunch of stuff. Direct injection is one, but the biggest thing is that it is just a much stronger and better designed engine than the EJ ever was. Many tuners have noted that the open deck construction of the FA is stronger than the semi-closed and even closed deck EJ motors. That and it revs to high heavens. There is a company out there with a 500 or 600Hp (wheel horsepower too, not at flywheel), 10,000 RPM red line BRZ that uses the FA engine with many stock parts in it. Imagine what a dream that is to drive!
Jesus! Sounds like a rotary motor when speaking of those rpms! Could those motors be put in older Subies? Because that would be wonderful.
I can't believe Toyota is still using the TuRD acronym. Although it does describe a lot of their product.
I'm hoping to be dropping a belt driven super charger in my brz next year. Personally, a 400-500 hp brz/frs is silly. It's not designed to be a straight line car. It's designed to handle very well. Any chimp can race in a straight line. A little more power is good, like at best 300hp. But that's my .02
The Innovative Super will put about 265 to the rear. Which is respectable for a car this light. But the 86 platform has a nice setup for either a turbo or super. I've seen an FRS with a turbo from Full Blown and it sits nicely in front of the belt. There are several supers that mount directly to a pulley. To my knowledge, Innovative makes the only belt driven generating 9lbs of boost. In a perfect world it will be able to put in without any major changes to the drivetrain. Like the Crawford video above, he was mentioning that the CV Boots, tranny and rear dif would need to be upgraded to be able to maintain those levels of power. There's .02 more. Sorry for hijacking. PS The only shop that will fully tune this car is Full Blown. And it's crazy pricey, like $700 pricey.
I plan to go with Jackson racing when I do mine. But to shift us back onto topic if Subaru does ever boost it will likely be a turbo setup from the factory.
Yeah anything from the factory nowadays will be turbo. Superchargers are great for instant torque but they suck for fuel economy so OEM's can't really use them anymore because of emissions requirements.
yea im curious on what the turbo setups do with the fuel economy on the brz/frs. stock they actually get pretty damn good fuel mileage even when flogging them down a twisty road.
I think its the direct injection that gives such good economy. My 335i has a turbo and an extra liter of displacement and still gets over 30mpg. A turbo on the brz will obviously hurt economy when you mash the gas but it will be way better than a supercharger for hwy cruising.
I've heard told that a smaller turbo than a stock WRX turbo will yield more power than the turbocharged 2.5. Let the drooling commence!
Yea to get more power with a turbo smaller then a stock Wrx one you would be looking at prob 20 or more psi. I don't see the stock block liking that even one that has appeared to love boost as much as this one without all the forged internals.
Oh man just stumbled on this. http://www.phantomsuperchargers.com/ Remember Shiv/Vishnu tuning who used to be in the subaru tuning world? Then he went to Bmw and did some cool stuff but gave up after some bad press. Now he sells this "electric supercharger" for BRZ, FRS, and miata people. It's kinda weak and has a lot of drawbacks but is interesting for adding some intermittent low end torque on those high revving cars which typically lack torque. Just thought it was interesting. What do you brz owners think?
if im going to spend the time doing this im going to just spend the money and do a real solution not something like this. I guess Ive always thought of these electronic superchargers as a gimmik
I agree and most of the eBay electric fans are complete garbage. This actually does seem to give some performance but just in the low-mid rpm range. Good analogy is like a small shot of nitrous because it needs to recharge after a min. Price is still too much for the small and intermittent gains but I can see the market. I also understand why shiv abandoned factory turbo platforms,people expect such big gains and only want to pay for cheap bolt ons/tunes. NA people will pay more per gain of whp/wtq. If someone wants big gains the market is already saturated with real turbo/supercharger kits which require a lot more engineering than a universal electric compressor.
I could see that I suppose. either way for me the gains are not enough even for the relatively low price of that setup.
wish they would have done a higher gear pull to actually see some acceleration instead of wheelspin. I am definitely not sold on the electric supercharger. I don't think I would give Shiv any money after everything I have heard/read.
Huh. I'm curious if he had stock tires on still. It didn't seem like he dropped it that hard. Yes....I have a vendetta on those tires...
The big auto manufacturers are starting to get into this area as well, like Audi: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/08/audi-electric-turbocharging-feature/ I haven't looked into Shiv/Vishnu's setup, but the advancements in high-power-density brushless motors over the last 5 years have been pretty amazing, so his kit (hopefully) has very little to do with the eBay 'electric turbo/supercharger' garbage - looks like he's using a proper turbo cold side, as you'd expect from someone coming from the turbo tuning side... I wonder if he'll offer a Lithium battery upgrade. MRT engineering in Australia makes a twin-charge kit for the twins, the interesting thing is that they use a small turbo for low-end boost, and then a big supercharger with a compressor set up for boost that increases with RPM, the opposite of most twin-charge setups...
That is a strange way to do it but I guess could work. A lithium setup could be nice because not only are you adding power your dropping some serious weight from a car that already dosent weigh much
No STI yet, but there is the tS model in Japan. However, I did spot one yesterday at the bank. Not sure if it's a factory option now in the US.
nope, its got the sti front lip, side skirt, rear valences, and 17" sti bbs. also included is the ricer painted caliper. not quite the full tS package in japan where they get brembo, gt wing, drive shaft and other suspension bits.
just checked the subaru website, seems like there isn't an actual sti package but optional accesories you can add on for the 2015 model.
So more then likely that was chosen by that individual. I guess if they are going to do a options package Id rather see performance/weight loss options rather then just some cheap plastic bits.
From what I understood on their site, the Vishnu setup uses a small Lion to replace the normal 12v starting battery, freeing up space to add 2 new 12v SLAs, all 3 sitting in the footprint of the OEM battery tray
