Here is a look at a Airboys spreadsheet Roaddyno I only have the boost set to about 20 psi... I will throw a log up too for those who are interested... 2002 wrx 20psi 75 degree airtemp 60 % humidity E85 Weight=3185lbs (added 100 for 07 6mt) + 450lbs(me g/f dog tools ect) 225/40/18's Code: tim rpm ign psi thr 2064 2143 21.5 0.99 100 2160 2181 21.5 1.2 100 2255 2246 21.5 1.37 100 2351 2282 21.5 1.53 100 2463 2300 21 1.74 100 2560 2358 21 1.95 100 2656 2356 22.5 2.11 100 2751 2401 22 2.3 100 2847 2470 21.5 2.51 100 2943 2502 21.5 2.69 100 3040 2527 21.5 2.9 100 3136 2610 22 3.11 100 3231 2590 21.5 3.33 100 3327 2647 21 3.54 100 3423 2710 20.5 3.75 100 3519 2763 19 3.98 100 3615 2784 19 4.33 100 3712 2850 17.5 4.64 100 3808 2900 17.5 4.93 100 3919 2964 17.5 5.34 100 4015 2982 17.5 5.82 100 4111 3074 17.5 6.3 100 4208 3082 17 6.79 100 4304 3155 17 7.37 100 4406 3219 16.5 7.95 100 4507 3294 16 8.72 100 4623 3321 15.5 9.71 100 4723 3436 15.5 10.89 100 4825 3436 15.5 12.16 100 4925 3549 15 13.81 100 5024 3656 14 15.88 100 5136 3738 14 17.62 100 5237 3830 14.5 19.3 100 5336 3939 14.5 19.86 100 5432 4028 15 19.9 100 5533 4114 15.5 19.86 100 5632 4252 15.5 19.97 100 5729 4310 15.5 19.9 100 5831 4424 16 20.03 100 5929 4486 16.5 20.03 100 6032 4607 16.5 20.01 100 6134 4676 16.5 20.21 100 6233 4795 16.5 20.13 100 6330 4924 16.5 20.23 100 6430 5050 17 20.32 100 6530 5105 17.5 20.38 100 6628 5172 17.5 20.34 100 6724 5319 17.5 20.67 100 6823 5442 17.5 20.4 100 6930 5527 17.5 20.5 100 7028 5572 17.5 20.42 100 7127 5699 18 20.48 100 7227 5738 18 20.28 100 7322 5859 18.5 20.32 100 7418 5943 19 20.38 100 7522 6068 19 20.34 100 7620 6107 19 20.4 100 7717 6229 21.5 20.42 100 7816 6308 21.5 20.34 100 7915 6308 21.5 20.38 100 8021 6416 22 20.46 100 8118 6516 22.5 20.42 100 8214 6614 23.5 20.55 100 8312 6684 23.5 20.48 100 8410 6684 23.5 20.52 100 8507 6787 24.5 20.46 100 8602 6900 24.5 20.4 100 And...a picture of the car all dirty...
Mods: Ej257 hybrid motor Avo Tmic I fabbed my own v-band rotated kit Garrett 3076 .82 Vband turbo Bosch ID 1000cc injectors (I have my rom hacked up pretty good to allow my stock ecu to run the 30R so my injector duty cycle is misleading...I'll let you know what idc is when I get my standalone) 1 walbro 255 about maxxed out... ( just waiting to get a bosch 044 to add inline) Aeromotive FPR Fuel rail Mod TGV's deleted Gmbcs paired up with a turboXs Dual stage MBC Custom tune by me E85 07 Sti 6mt Dunlop Dirreza z1 star spec tires Spiider Dual Mode Dccd controler Some other stuff to but thats most of it... I have been thinking of maybe fabbing up some Frame stiffening goodies in the near future and painting them Wrb since I have to get a side skirt and paint in after one of mine mysteriously disapreared...
Here are a couple pictures to give you guys an idea of what I have going on... This is how the cold air intake pipe ended up looking This is the pipe going into the Tmic
Oh that is just a 3rd gear log I would see boost even sooner in fourth, but I don't have the seed's to do it on the street...Yet lol...I am hoping to get some dyno time here sometime but its not sounding anytime soon...
Hey Bro, really would like to give you props for this setup! Looks great and sounds like it runs even better.
Thanks, You will probably see me around out in albertville-I always roll out that way and do logs bring the dog to the park ect... I know the area fairly well, went to highschool out there for a few years back in the day :laugh:...
from the pics it looks like your turbo is at a harsh angle, if it actually is id worry about the seals. just something to think about, dont wanna see a 30r go down before its time.
It doesn't look to be at that bad of an angle, personally. I'd be more worried about the updates that you need to install to your computer. :laugh:
Yeah I am pretty sure I am going with a Hydra or Aem but the Stock ecu is doing ok... I can't adjust somethings that really need adjusting... This is what phil at Element had to say about my setup on the stock ecu... "The OP has a stock ecu with a hybrid motor. This combination is full of phantom knock from the OEM ecu mostly due to different noise characteristics of the 257 and the slight change in timing as a result of the differences in the block dimensions (changes cam timing as it relates to crank timing). If or when he gets a Hydra he will finally be able to tune that combination the way it should be by running the correct timing curve, correcting his ignition dwell times, and by having a fully adjustable knock threshold system that doesn’t suck." So I mean that pretty much hits the nail on the head.... But the car is running well. I think the turbo angle is pretty good imo LOL Here is a pic of the ams kit And here is P&L motorsports' kit you can see it leaning back... Should be fine...
lol I've been harping that exact thing for years and nobody ever listens to me :laugh: What gasoline equivalent AFR are you running at full load?
That isn't even close to 15 degrees, which is what I remember Garrett recommending for their turbos. Not even close to what Perrin sets their kits at, not that it was good, but it worked for the most part. Oh, and Phil at Element hasn't done any motor or fab work whatsoever. Tune away...
"listen to someone who has experience with multiple systems. Of course Phil wants you to buy a Hydra, he's the main dealer. In actuality, the Hydra sucks serious balls to tune without a dyno. Never mind that I mentioned it months ago, but Phil talks a good story. The only thing the Hydra had going for it was driving low impedance injectors, but they are not king of that anymore. The rest of the Hydra's functionality sucks balls. I would never, ever spend $2k on such a retardedly programmed piece of ****."
I like it nice numbers, it must be really fun to drive, plus the 6 speed transmission makes me envious I live in Albertville and work in Monticello we should meet up sometime it would be fun to go for a cruise plus slowrex53/Brian. As far as the ECU I've heard good things about AEM from the two your considering. Brian/slowrex53 has alot of experince with different ecu setups.
Yeah we should meet up sometime, Cruising Ftw... Heading that way in about 30 mins lol...My dogs best friend is wating to hit the park :laugh:.. My afr should be = to about 11.2-11.4... On anothter note 1: the Hydra really "sucks balls"?2: I will be only on the dyno about 1 time a year, So I will be doing a LOT of road tuning does the Aem meet the road tuning standards so to say? 3: Aem, is it easy to use? they software I downloaded left me unconclusive on this . 4: piddster Are you saying the angle is good or bad bro, I am trying to think of what 15* looks like?
My turbo is at an extreme angle, and yes my exhaust is FULL of oil, but I really dont care, the car is driven on rainy days and in the winter :laugh:
Alright, good to hear , I have had my DP off a couple and I don't see any oil... BTW I envy the hell out of all of you who can rip it up I the winter.... I can't wait to get the gf a suby so we can ride in the snow!
Yes. Peak torque for e85 is somewhere in the .82-.85 lambda (~12.0 - 12.5:1 gas equiv.) region from what I can remember. Back when I was running the stuff on my tiny td04, my spreadsheet dyno plots showed an increase in power going from 11:1 to 12.8:1. I remember looking at my fuel table and laughing....basically it's 14.7 and then jumps to the 13s & 12s once you get into load. It was pretty silly looking compared to a regular "curved" table. lol. Also, you can run that lean and still keep your EGTs in check -- you are still flowing a ton more fuel than regular gas. Don't forget you are dealing with 105+ octane here.....would you run 110 leaded @ 11:1?
Ok that sounds interesting, and I hear you on 105+ octane, plus since you do use so much more fuel with E anyway you are still getting the alcohols cooling properties ect ect.. Yeah the Aem seems like the right choice, there are others but they are all pretty pricey for the most part and I have a Aem uego WB already ... I just don't wanna get a standalone and then I have no Idea how to change some of the things that need changing for my setup like the ignition dwell times ect...I can tune pretty well with RR but that doesn't mean I understand how to use these other EM systems...:laugh:
LOL, I heard there is a new Aem coming out replacing the old ems and I am sure it will be hydra 2.7 or something by the time I update(winter/spring) so I tam going to check out the software then...BTW Dipp you get that beast going again?
^Thanks, Just tonight the gf was saying I don't think the car needs anymore boost my neck is going to start hurting... :laugh: Dipp for sure , I was just out at a buddies (he has a suby) and I was saying we need to go for a cruise or something...We should get a few locals together and roll a bit sometime or something....
Sorry guy went, up north damn near canada, gf parents cabin this weekend ect ect... I am in on a firestone run one of these weekends...
