How bad is this dent in my new wheel

Got my new 5-zigen FN01R-C's in today.

Feeling like I might've gotten a bit shafted, though.


First thing was that the wheels weren't the right size. Seller listed them as 17x8 +48 and they are actually 17x7 +48. Now, I figured I'd let that slide. 17x7 is okay with me and the offset is still in about the right neighborhood.

Then I notice one of the tires has some weird wear. The tread on the inner inch or so is almost completely worn down, but the rest of the tire and all of the other 3 tires look like they're practically brand new - tons of tread.

Then I notice a nice sized curb rash on that same wheel - bout 6" long. OP said nothing about it ever.


Then, to top it off, the lip of that same wheel is bent. Here's a couple photos. Also, the original thread is http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1625985.


So, how bad does that dent look (it looks worse in person than these photos)? And what could cause the weird tire wear?

 

Its probably just tread seperation, the tire will need to be replaced, but you'll need to put the wheel on a road force balancer to see how bad it is.

 

to me..it honestly doesn't look that bad...however the uneven tire tread would annoy the **** out of me

 

The metal on that lip is DEFINITELY not round. It is plain as day when I feel it with my hand. Definitely not just the tread separating.

 

well..i have a huge dent on one of my rims way worse than that..and it doesn't cause any uneven tread wear or anything of the sort..in fact my balance on that car is impeccable

 

I had to look twice to see that dent... i would not worry about driving on it, if it balances out, however i would definatly contact the seller and let him know you are not very happy and try and get some money back or something.

 

I hope it doesn't affect balance too negatively. My beef is that he listed the rims as being in great condition and didn't mention a single word about scrapes, curbage, dents, or uneven tire wear.

I paid a good price for a used set based on that and this is what shows up (not to mention entirely the wrong size).

I'm feeling pretty p**sed off right now.

 

hahaha hell if you dont want em ill take em! jk but yeah man i feel your annoyance that would tee me off a bit

 

ha - yeah, right.

I passed up several sets of these in the past because they had these issues. If the seller had disclosed this I simply wouldn't have bought them. I would have waited for a used set in better condition or simply bought them brand new.

 

I would not worry about the dent affecting normal performance.

I would be pissed at the seller for misrepresenting the wheels in multiple ways, however. Selling a wheel as a different size than it is is simply inexcusable. The rash may be honestly something that (s)he didn't think twice about. Everyone has different standards for asthetics. I don't think I have a single wheel in the ~40 I own that look even as nice as the worst of those

 

Here's the tire wear. It's a little tough to see, but notice how on the inside of the right tire you can see the bottom of the tread, where on the outside of the same tire or on the entire left tire you cannot see the bottom of the tread.

 

And more as I continue to look.

 

Ok, that last pic would be the final straw for me. A damaged lug seat is very significant, especially in a "performance" wheel.

In fact, that almost looks like someone damaged it while trying to remove a wheel lock. Like perhaps the wheels are either stolen, or somebody tried to steal them.

 

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the dent looks minor to me though. I bought a pair of wheels with a far greater dent than that - (I knew they were dented). I pounded the dent out so it looked about like yours, maybe even a bit worse still and it balanced and drove fine

 

yeah now seeing the lug seat id be pretty irate if i woulda seen pics of that before purchase i woulda laughed and walked away..

 

This is what scares me about buying used wheels (unless of course they are local and I can go check them out first)

 

Well if its that big of a deal to you why are you asking if the dent is bad? obviously you already have labeled it as such. The wheel is clearly F'd In the lug seat, IMO you got hosed. The tread wear isnt a issue because of the wheel,its because of the car they were on.

 

Personally, I would deem those issues cumulatively unacceptable.

It does look like someone tried to remove a wheel lock and the tire wear on that edge is terrible.

Get your money back, file a PayPal report, whatever you can.

Rash + tire wear + lug seat + dent= No f'in way.

If none of that stuff was mentioned, I'd be pissed to.

 

I'd say just return it and get your money back, thats pretty shady of the seller.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

looks like someone tried to get a lug off using one of those pound on sockets, def eff'ed the wheel up. If it was just the lip or road rash I wouldn't worry, but all those I'd be poundin doors down to get my cash back. The guy prolly already withdrew the funds from his paypal, you did pay with paypal right?

 

That tread wear is normal for a car that had an aggressive camber setup, since it is only on one tire I would say that the guy did his own suspension work and didnt get an alingment after. I had the same issue on one of my G009s a while ago.

That dent is minor. I would not worry about it. My P7s have a dent that looks close to that and I am not worried about it at all after they have been balanced. That curb rash is also very minor. However the fact that this was not noted in the FS thread is a concern.

That lug seat is messed up. I wouldnt want to run on that.

Edit for pic of what bad camber / alignment can do to a tire

 

Looks like the same wear exists on the one of the tires for the other side of the car (directional tread) too, but not quite as bad.

So, he was probably running some negative camber up front.

Lots of wheel/tire for sale threads state if the tires have negative camber wear. They also state if the wheels are curbed. Pretty standard. This guy was negligent and careless at best and deceptive and dishonest at worst.

Still better than getting completely stiffed, but I'm asking for either a substantial discount where I keep the tires or a complete refund including extra to ship the tires back to him.


Is that lug seat so messed up that I shouldn't even be driving the car with the wheel on? The back side of it looks fine.

 

W/ a lug seat you want to have maximum contact area between the lug nut and the seat to ensure a good hold on the wheel. I do think that you will get a good fit in that seat, unless your lug nut somehow matches the goofy mess in there.

 

Thanks guys.

AWDimprezaL - I have determined the dent is aesthetically bad (IMO), was asking more in the sense of will it balance

hella_sti - Yes Paypal. Yes I know trying to get money back from them is usually fruitless. Hoping my credit card company will help if this guy is unresponsive.


Seller flat out misrepresented the wheels & tires in several ways. Sure, camber wear is marginal - but if the seller says that I account for buying new tires. In this case, part of the price I paid was based on the fact that I was lead to believe I wouldn't need new tires.

When I started this thread I hadn't even noticed the f'd up lug seat yet, if I had I would have jumped straight to the point I'm at now.

Interesting to think that the lug seat damage could have occurred during theft.

I know my options and how to proceed from here.

Yes, buying used is a gamble. Used wheels especially. Guess I felt a bit on the safe side since he had a half dozen positive feedbacks and communicated well.

 

If it was only the dent the wheels wouldnt be bad, I bet they will balace out fine, but that knarly looking lug seat is scary, lol.

 

dent I'd let slide. Size I'd even let slide. Tire wear I'd probably just chalk up to a loss - run them in the back as much as I could and replace when needed. Add the curbage and I'm mad. I purposely pass on any but the very slightest curbage. If I seller mentions it I won't proceed without seeing good pics. Throw that lug seat in too and the very significant paint chipping around it and I'm filing claims. Sucks. Oh well.

 

yeah everything would be expected IMO minus the lug seat, that is a bummer man.

 

WRONG.. try a DRILL BIT trying to split the locking nut..

I have used one of those locking nut removers many times and NEVER EVER made holes in ANY part of the rim or seat... STOLEN

 

Of course it's a drill bit.

Weird thing is that's the only one like that. If they were actually stolen there would've been damage on other rims most likely.

Could be someone tried to steal them from him.

 

Could perhaps someone have impact wrenched a "tuner" lug on that ended up in drilling to get it off?

 

Seller posted his # last night so I called him.

He agreed that he was not very thorough in looking over the rims before posting as they were not his but his brother in laws or something.

We agreed that if he refunded me $250 and I kept the rims that we'd consider it fair enough and move on.


Is there anything I can do to help prevent the paint from peeling where it's chipped? Could I dab a little super glue on it or something perhaps?

 

I would expect tiny chips on the spokes from a used rim, but that seat doesn't look good. Granted I think it's not quite as bad as people are making it out to be - it's only one seat out of 5 and if you can still get a lug on there, with the other 4 lugs good and tight, that wheel won't be coming off on its own.

If it's original powdercoat on the rims, I don't think it'll peel much from where it's chipped. I've got a few tiny chips in my RGs, it's not peeling.

You shoulda bought my wheels man They're still on sale.

 

I'm sure it'll balance fine. maybe spray some clear coat over where it's been curbed to protect it from future damage (although, I've curbed my rotas many times, and it hasn't caused peeling...might not be worth worrying about).


I would definitely try to get my hands on a reamer to clean up that lug seat. I forget what the stock seat angle is....65*? should be able to get a reaming bit about that size without too much investment.

truth be told, if the other 4 seats on that wheel are good, you really don't have much to worry about, just be extra careful to re-torque them every time you have that wheel off.



Where/from whom did you buy them?

 

60 degrees is the standard - 95% sure.

 

Bought off NASIOC. Seller refunded me a reasonable amount after seeing the pics (claimed he hadn't looked closely).

I've been running them a few days (just took them off today, actually). Nothing noticeable. No wobbles or shakes or lose lug nut. Once I inspected it more closely it felt like it had been smoothed down - who knows if the angle is exactly right, though.

I inspected the lug to see if there was any kinda of groove maybe from tightening against a sharp edge, but it didn't look like it. That doesn't necessarily say much.

So, clear coat is what I should use to help prevent flaking? I may try that around the lug seat - that's about the only spot I'm really concerned about.

 

not sure if its the newer cars.. but I think they are like 79-85 lbs/ft

 

hmm - sounds like a units mismatch

 

Never even noticed this.

 

cause that aint BAD

 

I know, I was proving a point.

 

I was referring to the angle of the taper on the lug nut, which would be the angle of reamer bit you'd need to clean it up. not the torque....



good call Eli, 60 degrees. I knew it was something like that, definitely not 45 degree!

 

I didnt read what you posted just saw eli's.. thought he was talking about torquing down seeing as Chet had said something about it 2 posts up.. ha a

 

No I didn't :dunno:

 

The tires to me look like they're a different design. Maybe changed up some stuff from one year to the next and whoever had the wheels and tires before bought two at a time.

 

they look identical to me....just directional and pointed different directions.