http://www.forcedairtech.com/svx.html Could I make or have/help someone make my own kit like this? Honestly how hard could it be? From what I have read, I don't need any computer mods (because of the cars excellent detonation system) or an intercooler (because it wouldn't make a difference) if I'm only boosting 4-6psi and I would think that making the kit would be cheaper than buying this kit. Experts please? I'm very serious about this.
TIME How many hours do you think it would take? Now double that. Times it by 100.... I think it would be easier to twin turbo it...} //dream mode on// Imagine ditching the battery to the trunk. Disposing of the ABS hydraulic assembly. Two turbos off of Legacy Sports (small size, waste gate set to 5 psi) where the battery and ABS was. Turn the intake around to face forward... //dream mode off//
First things to rememer/think about is, who is going to do all the fab work for ya?? Find that out first, and make sure you find out how much they charge per hour. After that get a good guesstimate on how many hours it would take for them to fab up your parts (uppipe, downpipe, ic pipes, etc) than you need to source the turbos and hardware. Don't forget all the oil, vac, coolant lines. The prices isn't to bad when you really look at the time and costs of things. Ask Ben how much it cost him to do the custom turbo in his legacy. Also, remember that you will definitly need to upgrade the tranny or convert to a manual. Russ
if you do this next summer i will help you out if you'd like. im not an expert but i can weld decently. well enough to fab those pipes if we got a bunch of steel mandrel bends. the labor would be the limiting factor there, and if you are willing to let me do it i would do it for 15$ an hour and i think i could do the job pretty well now that i have installed my turbo kit, it would be a lot easier doing it again since i know what to do and am not timid like i was before. hehe, if you wanted to swap to manual(how about a six speed? ) i can help there too. i bet you could get the necessary parts for the turbo buying used for under 1k, then its just fabrication from there and taking time to get everything fitting properly. EDIT: actually, looking at some pics of the SVX maybe we could do a small FMIC, that would help hp and help prevent detonation too, plus FAT doesnt even have that i cant say for sure cause that may be the main radiator area, but just my crazy ideas. Ben
Finally some serious answers! Thanks guys. Okay, dream mode Todd, you mean sequential turbos? Because I can't really boost 2 @ 5psi=10psi, but a small and a big would be really cool and put them both at 5 right? I don't car about ABS (It never kicks in anyway unless I'm REALLY standing) and I don't care where the battery goes. Ben, if you'd be willing to help, that would rock, I know you have the experience with the leggy and it would really come in handy. You can call me at 651-210-5757 any time after 3:30 if you want and we can talk. Also, do you really think I could do it for under 1K? If so , even better. I have some friends that might be able to source some parts. Russ, thanks for telling me about the tranny that was my next question (and keeping things realistic) no Todd that wasn't a jab at you; I love dream mode. I probably should go with a 6spd, no? Oh, Ben, they say that there's no room for an FMIC but I can cut the bumper, that would bring up the cost more too, but I'd rather not blow up. EDIT: what kind of turbos should I look for????
well, i definitely think you could get all the parts you need for 1k, used turbo, used oil pan, RRFPR, wastegate, BOV, oil lines, fittings, flanges, piping, gaskets, etc. the labor would be more, but still way under the price of FAT's kit for sure(if i did it that is ). realistically to get everything fitting correctly and such i bet it would take 20 hours, maybe more, and if you paid usual shop rates even at 75 an hour your up to 1500 already just for fabrication. actually for the twin turbos, if they are both set at 5psi then you are still at 5psi. that would be doable, but take a little more creativity. find out the timing sequence on your car, because you only have single port heads, we could only hook one turbo up to each side. if the firing sequence is different than the usual 4 cylinders you should be ok, but i know FAT's TT design was not done correctly, so the turbos were fighting each other cause they were getting uneven exhaust flow cause he had cylinders 1,3 to one turbo and 2,4 to the other, you need to alternate on the 4 cylinders. however, it still may not even matter because you have dual throttle bodies. so just a thought. for an intercooler we could possible do a bottom mouted one with a scoop i would really have to look at the car but just some ideas that could work if you are serious about doing it. Ben
Way cool. I am actually working a double today but you can call me anytime. We'll talk more. Thanks. Edit: Re: that $15 an hour labor thing, YES, consider it a deal
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PHATsuby well, i definitely think you could get all the parts you need for 1k, used turbo, used oil pan, RRFPR, wastegate, BOV, oil lines, fittings, flanges, piping, gaskets, etc. the labor would be more, but still way under the price of FAT's kit for sure(if i did it that is ). realistically to get everything fitting correctly and such i bet it would take 20 hours, maybe more, and if you paid usual shop rates even at 75 an hour your up to 1500 already just for fabrication. actually for the twin turbos, if they are both set at 5psi then you are still at 5psi. that would be doable, but take a little more creativity. find out the timing sequence on your car, because you only have single port heads, we could only hook one turbo up to each side. if the firing sequence is different than the usual 4 cylinders you should be ok, but i know FAT's TT design was not done correctly, so the turbos were fighting each other cause they were getting uneven exhaust flow cause he had cylinders 1,3 to one turbo and 2,4 to the other, you need to alternate on the 4 cylinders. however, it still may not even matter because you have dual throttle bodies. so just a thought. for an intercooler we could possible do a bottom mouted one with a scoop i would really have to look at the car but just some ideas that could work if you are serious about doing it. Ben <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I also read that both sides of the engine are run by two seperate computers, but who know if that's true. Also, the bottom mounted IC sounds like a good idear. FAT has a TT design? TT=twin turbo? I only saw the single. I'll find out the timing sequence today. Do you want to PM me your number? Thanks.
yes, FAT has a TT kit for the impreza, not SVX, the design is not that great if i do say so myself. from my experience with Robert, he is a moron, the kits he makes are pretty nice, but he is not the smartest guy, he thinks he knows everything but i have had to correct him on information on the STi, which he would claim to be correct because "its my own daily driver" haha, but i wont get into my dealings with him. are there PM's on here? if not i'll PM you on nasioc. i should be able to talk later today but im at work right now. thanks. Ben
Your both completely HIGH! there is no way you will get the parts for under a 1K 20 hours? I spent that much time just putting on bolt ons in a week.
high? look whos talking biatch depending on what he decides i think its possible to get it under 1k, not a TT setup though and an IC would push it. would be a bit more. used TD04-150 lets say he gets an internally gated one oil pan-50 BOV-150 RRFPR-150 flanges-100 lines/fittings-100 piping-200 100 left for extras. if he wants an IC there are used DSM ones for 30 on ebay, and if he does TT thats another 150 for another TD04, then maybe to be generous 100 dollars for more piping. by having internal gates he doesnt have to get Tials, plus that saves money on those flanges and fabrication and piping because you use less. k lets say it takes more than 20, which i said it prob would, i could work on it for 100 hours and it would still only equal what he would pay for 20 hours of work at a normal shop, and like you said it will take longer i may be slower but i would def not be THAT slow. take your pessimism elsewhere, we dont need Ben
I just think you are leading him astray. Just sell the car (to me) and get a WRX and get you power with bolt ons.
fair enough matt, i have been known to be optimistic. you give him what you think it will cost and then we can take an average of the two.
People, people, people... I am going to price out all of this stuff first of all. also I know when all else fails I'll call Matt and he will either fix it for me or I can sell him the car for $30,000. Let's be serious about these qoute/estimates though. Let's hear some numbers. EDIT: I want more power all around Chong, NOS might come later...}
Power all around..........all around what? I dont see the point, is this a for street or some track? I personally dont see why someone would invest that kind of money into an automatic. Just no fun for me. Good luck and enjoy! C
Chong, you don't see alot of things. J/K I am planning on doing a Tranny swap too. I mean instead of having to push a button to get more power, I can just push the pedal and get more power.
Heh, good luck dude. If you actually accomplish this I will wear a dress for a day. I can think of about a bazillion easier ways to have a powerful, manual transmission car, but hey, it would certainly be unique!
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zola Heh, good luck dude. If you actually accomplish this I will wear a dress for a day. I can think of about a bazillion easier ways to have a powerful, manual transmission car, but hey, it would certainly be unique! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I am all about unique. I'm also ready to see you wear a dress for a day!
Zola, This just got very interesting. Joe...l I wanna see this. Can we put some make-up on you too. Noah, get busy, Joe could be a very hot date for some lucky dude. jp C
Noah, i think all my estimations are reasonable, i even searched for used td04's and found them above and below the price i quoted so it should be pretty close. i look forward to seeing joel in a dress if you decide to do this noah. i mean who would be crazy enough to turbo their car and put a six speed in an automatic car, what an idiot. i hope no one ever does that.
wasn't there someone on here with a manual SVX already? I thought I remember seeing it in the "show yourselves" thread. I think that a 5- or 6-speed SVX would be the "cats meow" as it were. then add a few basic mods to make that beautiful motor a bit more tourquey (you know what I mean) and :drool:. -Chux
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chux wasn't there someone on here with a manual SVX already? I thought I remember seeing it in the "show yourselves" thread. I think that a 5- or 6-speed SVX would be the "cats meow" as it were. then add a few basic mods to make that beautiful motor a bit more tourquey (you know what I mean) and :drool:. -Chux <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> That would be Alex and he hasn't been on the boards lately. [xx(] I need to talk to to him too. I have no "off the line" speed. My Legacy is faster to 30mph. The car is really heavy (3400lbs.) and the 4spd Auto has a really high gear ratio so it takes a while for the sweet spot. I also can have it in 3rd gear and be cruising at 80ish and the rpm's will be at like 3300!
Noah, got your message, sorry i dont have text to reply. i can help you source parts no problem, do you want me to just search the boards or do you have certain parts you need help with finding? thanks Ben
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PHATsuby Noah, got your message, sorry i dont have text to reply. i can help you source parts no problem, do you want me to just search the boards or do you have certain parts you need help with finding? thanks Ben <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Ben, we spoke but just to clear it up, keep a look out for all of the parts that we need. You can call me or pm/email me about them. I also think I'll post on the Buy/Sell board. Thanks, Noah
sounds good. searching the boards it looks like you can get used VF39's for about 400 shipped. if you would like we can go that route or we can look at some t3/t4 hybrids as well which would be about the same. one thing we will have to figure out is boost level. if you run the STi turbo it has an 8lb wastegate spring, so you would be running 8psi, if you did that you would need to upgrade injectors and pump as well as have some timing/fuel management, at least that would be my recomendation to be safe. or, we can basically try to imitate the FAT kit as close as possible, we could run an external wastegate to whatever pressure you want or we can see if the internal gates can be changed as well and go that way. all this is being said site unseen so i will really have to look at the car for ideas but if we can do an intercooler like a dsm sidemount i think you could run 6psi and still keep just the RRFPR if the knock correction is that good. a t3t04E like what the FAT kit has will be a good turbo for your car but we have to narrow down what trim to use, i will do that and compare to the STi turbo. your car will flow 30.5lbs/min of air at 6psi of boost at 6000rpm which will basically be the limit we will use. Ben depending on what ratio that RRFPR is we may be able to use a wrx one to save money as well if its only a 1:1.
Noah, After doing some more extensive research(i have to admit i didnt know much about SVX's, and still dont know everything) i would have to say i have grossly underestimated(you can say i told you so if you want, i am willing to admit my mistake ) basically the way i think a turbo'd car needs to be done is correctly. that is with proper engine management. Basically one thing i didnt realize is that robert of FAT is almost 1 mile of elevation, therefore running 5psi is really nothing due to the thin air which could be why he doesnt have any timing/fuel issues with just a RRFPR. now, you can do piggy backs, safeguard, etc... but i dont think piggy backs will cut it if you want to do it properly. some have used Tec II's and motec with success, others have used piggy backs, basically it will come down to how much you want to spend, i am trying to talk to these guys to see how much they are into turboing for to get you an idea, but just to give you a heads up, a tec II used is around 1k itself. basically, it can still be done, anything can be done but not at the price i orignally thought. i dont really want to guess anymore, basically as it has proven again it seems you can not really turbo your car on a budget and do it properly, however adding EM to the equation along with other things i can see it being close to the price of FAT's kit but being properly managed. give me a call tomorrow and we can talk in detail. Ben
Sorry Ben, I didn't see your post until now. I will callyou after work. Thanks, Noah<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PHATsuby Noah, After doing some more extensive research(i have to admit i didnt know much about SVX's, and still dont know everything) i would have to say i have grossly underestimated(you can say i told you so if you want, i am willing to admit my mistake ) basically the way i think a turbo'd car needs to be done is correctly. that is with proper engine management. Basically one thing i didnt realize is that robert of FAT is almost 1 mile of elevation, therefore running 5psi is really nothing due to the thin air which could be why he doesnt have any timing/fuel issues with just a RRFPR. now, you can do piggy backs, safeguard, etc... but i dont think piggy backs will cut it if you want to do it properly. some have used Tec II's and motec with success, others have used piggy backs, basically it will come down to how much you want to spend, i am trying to talk to these guys to see how much they are into turboing for to get you an idea, but just to give you a heads up, a tec II used is around 1k itself. basically, it can still be done, anything can be done but not at the price i orignally thought. i dont really want to guess anymore, basically as it has proven again it seems you can not really turbo your car on a budget and do it properly, however adding EM to the equation along with other things i can see it being close to the price of FAT's kit but being properly managed. give me a call tomorrow and we can talk in detail. Ben <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
sounds good, call my home phone 5072870414. after doing even more research, basically i have decided it will be up to you. it can be done with just a RRFPR i spoke with Kastle who had it on his SVX for about 7k miles and he is basically at the same elevation as us, a little lower, he ran 5psi and he said it was fine. so it will be up to you which way you want to go, but we can discuss it all later. thanks Ben
