I would love to get either of those colt AR's! Who wants to make a road trip to owatonna with me saturday? =D
It's just a Hi Point, unique one though, it has a Green Slide. Strange looking guns. Still want me to post a pic?
i get all of my firearms from the shady guy down the street.... cheaper and he swears they arent stolen. seems legit.
Make sure to get the one that shoots 5.56. The 5.56 shell casings we get in the military have a slightly thicker shell wall. An AR set up for 5.56 will shoot it, and .223, whereas an AR labeled .223 will wear out its extractor arms very quickly trying to extract and eject the thick casings, or it wont be able to get the round out of the chamber period. Also ask the turn ratio on the rifling in the barrel. Many of these barrels on aftermarket colts are at a 5 turn ratio (see; cheaper). The best for shooting with a 5.56 is 11 turns, for a MUCH tighter minute of angle at distance. You'd be better off with a factory colt barrel than the fancy "cold bored" or machined barrel. Trust me, if its a nice cold bored barrel, you'll be paying for it, and it will have a high turn ratio, between 7 and 11. You can pay the EXACT same amount for a good "colt" or bushmaster as a crappy one. People dont know their own firearms when their selling these, most of the time it just looked cool. If you can get a rock river arms, or knights armament AR, do it. You definitely wont regret their weapons. Also, get up with me if you want magazines. I cant sell you our issued ones for obvious reasons, but I can tell you where to go for the ones we buy to replace our issued mags, and the accessories we add to them anyways.
oh, and I can get you any of the blackhawk stuff you want for our cost. 3 point and one point slings, weapons bags, any type of mag pouch imaginable, bla bla bla. Great stuff. Not cheap though.
I've been trying to look around for a CMMG or an LMT AR chambered for 5.56 for a while now. The only place that seems to have anything is gunbroker.com I'm looking for something with a 1/9 twist ideally, but 1/7 to 1/11 would work. If nothing else I'd settle for finding a nice upper right now in either of those and then finding a lower at a later date, those are a dime a dozen right now. -Steve
Steve, you should come out with us to Bills for the Gun Show. LMT is going to be there, I've been wanting one of their uppers as well. I've got a thread in the events section if you haven't seen it yet.
I just might have to come up and go to that. Any idea if LMT will have uppers/complete rifles with them? I e-mailed them asking about turn around time on orders last night so we will see what they say, IF they get back to me hahaha. -Steve
I've been hearing 12-14 weeks from people I know who have been ordering them. I would love one of their piston uppers but I'm not sure if I want to spend 1400 I'm guessing they'll probably have some with them, but I'm betting they'll get snapped up pretty quick.
dear lord. Please don't pay that much...its ridiculous. A little birdie might have told me that a new Marine Corps order was just passed that states all units deploying are to be issued M4's with RCO's, and the new IMTV or interceptor Vests. That being said, I'd keep your eyes on the market for around 80,000 A4's being decommissioned from our armories over the next few months. I'm not sure if these will be pushed into the public (fixed for civilian use with burst removed), but i'll keep you all posted. I'm guessing the Corps wont give them up unless a broker buys them, because we dont give anything up for free. And steve, I'm glad you're not just another AR buyer. The reason we go with 1/7 turns is to give the weapon the ability to fire higher velocity tracers. Optimum for tracers is 1/4-1/6, and the best you can do for accuracy with a 5.56 is 1/7-1/11 (eleven can slow the round depending if its a high grain, obviously no good.) Its surprisingly rare how many shooters pay attention to that kind of stuff. If you do plan on shooting heavy grain, full jackets, at a sustained rate...I would definitely recommend a balanced turn barrel like ours. If not, like I mentioned, rock river arms has some beautiful stuff out. This guy's got my dream weapon. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=405252 That can be had for like $1500-1600 easy. RRA is known for very low minutes of angle at great range. Just my .02 Again, I'll keep my ears to the ground on all the A4's we have, I just know that my battalion is getting all new M4's this summer, (I'm my platoon's armorer), and I know that as a designated marksman I'm getting some severely tweaked M4. Word has it, its got a Leupold 9 power. I'll take pictures when it shows up.
Yeah, if I had just wanted a AR just to have one, I'd have bought a DPMS when they were about 900. My philosophy has always been to just save up and get the "good sh*t" once and don't buy it again. BTW LMT emailed me back today and said the lead time on rifles was 30 weeks..... :eek4: -Steve
Jack, keep in mind that was for a piston upper, not a gas impingement. The piston uppers are going for a bit more than a standard at the moment, and it's probably not going to change until there are more of them out there. Personally, I'm a bit pissed that Magpul pulled the Masada at the last minute. I'd have bought one of those in a heartbeat.
Explain to me why you would spend 900-1100 more and the wait time for a piston upper, when you could have a custom RRA rifle for less? To me, a rifle is about either throwing lead at a short range in a large quantity, which requires mostly proficiency, or one to two very precise shots at a great distance. Gas does both of these very well, is easy to find parts for, and will do it with utmost reliability when cared for. I'd even say a bolt action is better for the latter. I must not be familiar enough with the differences between the two to justify the cost? I'm sure I'll look like an idiot in short time once you explain. And steve, thats nuts. I'm sorry to hear the wait time is so long. I really take for granted how much time I get to spend around great firearms. I had the joy today of cleaning my m9 and a4 for 3 hours, and my one of my squads 249s for 2 hours after I spent the day at the range. I'm sure all of our SAW gunners would disagree with me (they have to carry it around all the time), but I have never tired of putting a 249 in my shoulder and going cyclic. A side note, my Corpsman melted his $100 blackhawk gloves during a barrel change today. Lolz. I'll give credit where its due though, he's awesome, and the only squid I've known to get out of the safety vehicle and spend his time teaching us his job, and learning ours.
Jack, don't get me wrong. I'm with you on this. For distance shooting, I'll take a bolt action any day of the week. The accuracy that's available with one is amazing, especially when you get into a good platform. As far as the cost goes, I should clarify. The LMT upper I was referring to comes with all of LMT's goodies, like their enhanced bolt carrier group, etc. You can get their standard gas impingement upper for half that, less if you supply your own bolt carrier group, etc. Rock River Arms does make a nice rifle, but given my own choice I'd take a Noveske or an LMT piston rifle. The Noveske is a gas impingement system, but damn are they nice. There are a few other companies out there that make great ones as well. The funny thing about firearms is that they're a completely personal choice, based on anything from experience to superstition. While I might swear by my Kimbers and Sig Sauer, someone else may swear by Springfield Armory and Heckler and Koch. Neither of us is right or wrong, just different Oh, if you could smuggle me a SAW back in pieces I'd love you forever
haha, I'd do that but the jail time involved for both of us would be extensive. In other news...the SAW is on its way out of the marine corps. We currently have the new prototypes spread across battalions going through field testing to get the impressions from the marines who will actually be using them. Its something our commandant has been great about doing vs the old ones...that is, getting us the gear to field test, across the entire corps. So far the HK model is the most accepted. Its lightweight, as a 200rd box of 5.56, can fire our standard magazines, and doesn't need a barrel change every 100 rounds like the others. The biggest gripe will all of them is that they just don't have the same ability to put up a wall of lead that the 249 does. Also, I asked our armorer what the huge deal is with a gas piston system. He said he thinks the entire military should be on pistons, because they can cut down on the carbon build up on bolts by 70-80 percent. A lot less weapons maintenance, and the big part, a LOT less stoppages. The other effects are reduced recoil for tighter shot groups, but with training like we have, it is trained out anyways.
