Interesting Article on CNN: Want Lower Gas Prices? Produce more Oil and Gas

I like this point:

They make that much profit because so much product goes through their hands. If you sell 10 gallons with a $0.10 profit per gallon (I made up that number - I don't know what it really is), you make $1 in profit. Sell 78 billion gallons and you make $7.8 billion in profit. The high usage of fuel is what causes those large profit numbers.

 

Basic math is lost on our politicians. I keep telling you: they hate you. Whoever you are, they want to make your life miserable.

 

Well, he's also an oil exec. I doubt he's going to address how to best research alternative fuels.

 

^^^This.

 

LOL, i was just about to say that. He does not care about anything but making money, thats all he cares about. People like him are blinded by money. This happens with a lot of people who already made a lot of money they want more and more. I bet he makes a at least a few hundred million dollars a year if not more. He would say anything to make more money for himself and his company. And anyone who thinks that not true is plain crazy.

And he (and Bush) is talking about drilling in Wildlife refuge which is a terrible thing. Because people drive massive trucks and don't care about gas consumption other key creatures on the planet are suffering.

 

drill there, i don't care, its not gonna effect me in my lifetime, as long as gas prices go down and stay down enough to where i don't walk funny after i fill up i'll be happy

 

You have no clue about how the corporate world works (especially with publically held companies).

Making blanket statements like that just opens yourself up to further ridicule.

 

but that wont happen, because once the price is up, the companies do what they can do to keep them up, since you're now used to it.

 

Thats sad you should be ashamed of yourself if you think that way. Thats a terrible and selfish way of life.

You think he is all fluffy and honest? You are joking yourself if you think he is not making millions and is going to cut his salary just to let you pay less for gas.

Very good point. The prices are not going to go down ever again. And $.18 will do nothing at all.

 

Animals suffering? This again?

 

Yes! You are surprised?

 

This is about as retarded as what taras had to say.

Just like what was quoted above, their margins are basically unchanged. That means if their cost of oil goes up your price of gas goes up too.

Oil companies are seeing record growth because they're also seeing record volume. He doesn't really bring any revelations to the table, he's basically saying we need to pump more oil and make more gas if we want to keep consuming oil at the same pace we've been for the last few decades.

Bad idea. Let's say the governments of the world decided they wanted to just expand drilling and excavation of oil at the same growth rate as our use of fuel, how many years will that last exactly? Some say there's at least another 70 years of oil left (exxon/mobil exec), but that's not a very clear statement if we don't address the massive growth in american consumption, let alone the impending explosive growth of chinese consumption.

The real solution involves reduced consumption and increased efficiencies and it doesn't take the brightest light-bulb on the christmas tree to figure that out.

The biggest problem with oil execs isn't that they're greedy money grabbing gremlins, it's that they're working within the regulatory, environmental, and supply constraints as they exist in the market today. If the U.S. government were to say that oil profits will be taxed 90% by 2050 - the oil companies would adjust to the new constraints of the market and would begin to develop renewable energy sources today. If the U.S. were to decree that they will open up all potential sources of oil, be damned of any environmental or long term consequences, you bet your ass the oil companies will ramp up their drilling and excavating capacity.

Either way, anyone who drives a car that gets anything less than 30 mpg can STFU about gas prices as far as I'm concerned. My freaking 20 year old crx used to get that.

 

It might be beneficial if oil gets nationalized and the government controls it, but there is a problem with that as well.

 

Why should the government nationalize it? What did the government do to provide oil to the people? Did they research it, build the refineries, pay the chemists? Ship it via tanker to your station? Install the pumps so it can go into your car?

This is like all the talk about drug companies. Their researchers made drugs that make your life possible. You didn't do anything. What right do you have to it? You should get down on your knees and thank them for what they have given you.

 

How does that help anything? Because the government is so good at running large organizations? :laugh:

Create the market conditions where oil is not profitable and renewable resources are and the market will adjust itself accordingly.

 

Ha, you're right.. I had to go review supply and demand, and remember that they make $ by volume, not by margin. I really need to stop posting when I'm not awake.

 

Wait wait wait a second there. Who is the one who bought the turbocharged car, knowing full well that it would get less mileage than a similar N/A motor car? You made the conscious decision to pay more for fuel than necessary. If someone can explain to me how that is Shell Oil's fault, I'm all ears.

Jumping Jeebus on a pogo stick - why in the world do people still blame the supplier for the price they pay for fuel? Don't like it? Change your lifestyle. Think the guy is paid too much? Stop supporting his wages with an inefficient car. Wanna get in on the profits? Buy some stock in Shell.

His company provides a basic staple that keeps this economy rolling, does it without interruption, does it no matter how much the various world gov'ts screw with oil prices and supply, does it with changing regulations, laws, and formulations imposed willy nilly by our federal and state gov'ts, and does so with relatively low impact on the environment. And we have some of the lowest prices in the world. What more do you people frickin' want?

 

The car that has same amount of power as my car and does not have a turbo would have a 3.0 at leas that gets way less millage. Turbo charged cars are more efficient than NA cars with same amount of power.

 

Again, you CHOSE to buy the car that uses more fuel. Shell CHOOSES to sell you that fuel. They have it, you need it. Price went up. You have two choices:

1. Put up
2. Shut up

I also have a turbo motor. I chose #1.

Okay, third choice:

3. Not accept that you're paying more than necessary through your own choices, but whine about it here instead of doing something about it.

Geez, accept some responsibility.

 

Oh, and tell me how much power your car makes, and I will happily provide a list of cars with the same, or more, power AND with better EPA ratings.

If you're trying to tell me that Subaru makes cars with the best hp/mileage ratings, then all I can do is laugh.

 

Price of the car is not the last thing here too. tell me what car has awd 200+hp and gets 20+mpg and cost 14k?

 

Used? I can name a few. If you give me a 10% fuel penalty to account for FWD or RWD, I can name at least a dozen. I know your turbo Subaru did not cost $14k brand new.

I don't mean to single you out, honestly. But America has been having their cake and eating it, too, for years and years and years. Well, now we can't get ice cream with our cake at the same price as before. What do we do? Eat less cake, skip the ice cream, or pay up and enjoy both. If you want to keep your turbo-charged ice cream, then you are going to have to pay for the fuel to keep it running. Not Shell's problem, not the gov'ts problem, not my problem. Your problem.

 

No i will not give a 10% penalty. I am not talking about new car either. BTW turbo cars are more efficient than NA car. And US is terrible mpg regulations. Look at most of the cars in Europe. They have a new mazda 6 that is a turbo diesel that has like 160hp 200+ torque and gets 40+ mpg. And it is pretty much zero emissions. Why no cars like that here?



CO2 emission mpg
Mazda6 £15,110 162 40.9 (6.9)

Mazda6 1.8 5dr TS £16,110 162 40.9 (6.9)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr TS £16,640 168 39.8 (7.1)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr TS AT £17,690 182 36.7 (7.7)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr TS2 £17,840 168 39.8 (7.1)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr TS2 AT £18,890 182 36.7 (7.7)

Mazda6 2.5 5dr Sport £19,640 192 34.9 (8.1)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr S Diesel £15,630 147 50.4 (5.6)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr T Diesel £17,230 147 50.4 (5.6)

Mazda6 2.0 5dr Diesel £18,430 147 50.4 (5.6)

Mazda6 2.0 Sport Diesel £20,330 147 50.4

wow this is hard to read. but the number after the price is the CO2 emission and the number after that is the mpg.

http://www.mazda.co.uk/Showroom/Mazda6/Mazda6-5Door/Specs/

This is for some who say i dont provide any support for my comment

 

i payed 900 bucks for my 200K mile 1991 tauras SHO it got almost 30 MPG, and made 220 hp and could do well over 140. END


EDIT: **** i see the awd part now....either way, awd eats alot of gas

 

I beg to differ. Large-displacement N/A motors have the advantage of low-end torque, allowing them to have gear ratios better-suited for mileage. Most turbos are more high-strung and don't do as well in the lower RPM range. If they were, Subaru would put a taller ratio in my turbo Forester. Turning 3000 RPM at 70 MPH is NOT the way to fuel efficiency. Compare that to a GM 3.8 N/A Impala, which ticks over at something like 2200 RPM at the same speed. 28-30 MPG is not out of the question in that car with an economy-minded right foot.

I answered this in the other thread. We WILL get them here, but it will take time for them to catch on. The question is: when the Subaru diesels become available will you buy one, or just continue to bitch about gas prices for your turbo-charged gasoline-powered car?

 

I really doubt you get 30 mpg on that thing. It weights a lot. Maybe going behind a big rig and down the hill. Even thought its got a Yamaha motor in it if i am correct.

 

I couldn't agree more.

-Steve

 

LOL it weighs alot? they weigh 3100 lbs, just like your "pig" wrx

 

I would get a diesel subaru, it will be turbo as well.

Why not compare them? You tell me why they had bluetech Mercks in europe for a few years now but there non of them here?

 

Comparing their profits to banks and pharma sectors is stupid. One was in a bubble, the other one is another out of control industry, that abuses broken health care system. Why not compare to airline industry.

 

SHO
18 city 26 hwy and thats i am sure starching it.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Overview-t1363-1991-Taurus-4-Dr-SHO-Sedan.html

Curb weight 3050 lb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_SHO

WRX

it depends on the style of driving.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0403_2002_subaru_impreza/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_WRX

 

oh really? how about you prove that to me. maybe cite it?:roll:

 

26 mpg, cool does that mean everyone is gonna get 26 mpg? nope, i drive almost 95% freeway, i got 30 no problem, just like somehow i get 24 mpg in my fullsize chevy truck, there are so many variables its retarded to argue

 

good point.

 

Fixed

3050 lb (1383 kg) 89-91

 

I just give you the facts thats all. Thats why there is hwy mpg and city ''estimates".

 

2001 Grand Prix GTP. 3.8L supercharged V6. Weighs just as much as a WRX, is bigger, hauls more, even as a coupe. I myself averaged 29 mpg with that on a 3-day trip to and from Nebraska hauling 3 people and a week's worth of luggage for said people.

Like has been stated, its all in the gearing. Chevy's pushrods (moar tq) + long gears do quite well at power and MPG.




EDIT:: OMG, its nawt fare, I haz'd K&N FILTER!?!?!??!?


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also, WRONG on the curb weight of MY YEAR sho (1st gen)
Production 1989–1991
Assembly Hapeville, Georgia
Body style(s) 4-door sedan
Layout FF layout
Platform Ford D186 platform
Engine(s) 3.0 L SHO V6
Transmission(s) 5-speed MTX manual
5-speed MTX-IV manual
Wheelbase 106.0 in (2692.4 mm)
Length 188.4 in (4785.4 mm)
Width 70.8 in (1798.3 mm)
Height 54.1 in (1374 mm)
Curb weight 3050 lb (1383 kg)
Related Ford Taurus

 

FWIW, the federal tax on diesel is $0.244 per gallon, higher than gasoline, but not enough to count for the $0.80 disparity in price.

 

Also - Taras, I see you as a bit of a self-righteous F***.

"omg help the puppies" - no, they're diseased and should be "taken care of" I sure as hell don't want rabies from a stray dog.

"I wanna get better mileage!" - Stop modding your car, you're not helping it any. Also catless?!?! STFU about mileage and CO2 emissions.

"I hate the way Bush is running the USA!" - I'm gonna say it at the risk of being ridiculed and possibly given infractions---GO HOME THEN. You don't like it STFU and leave, seriously.


The last 3 days have been NOTHING on here but your rants and raves and outlandish views on stupid trivial events around the world and I'm so sick of your opinion on EVERYTHING. If I wanted your opinion, I'D BLOODY ASK FOR IT. THEN you have the cajones to BASH OTHERS and say they are WRONG for their opinions. Good God. Shut up shut up shut up.

 

On a side note - Vbulletin needs a MUCH better IGNORE function rather than just rolling up CERTAIN USER'S posts. I want that user to DISAPPEAR from the site altogether. Threads they created should appear to fall into nothingness, but NOoooo.... I'm still stuck looking at them.

 

archived :laugh: :laugh: