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Its what makes a SUBARU, a SUBARU! Me like it. Interesting vid. I wonder is that all the different kinds of awd/4wd drivetrain type?
Interesting, but lame. Blaming the shortcomings of the other vehicles' AWD systems on their transverse layout is ignorant and shortsighted. There are many many many other factors in play.
it may be ignorant and short sided but it was the test of the AWD factor in my opinion not all the other things that go into the car.. subaru has a better AWD system..
Whoever wrote that script the announcer is reading is a moron. There are at least a half dozen things he says that are flat out wrong. Not to say that Subaru doesn't have a good AWD system, just a bad marketing video.
On what basis? That video? :laugh: If you base your opinion on a video that some car salesmen put together, then I feel sorry for you. Maybe you should learn how the other systems work first
um.. seriously.. Dan's insight and opinion would rank amongst teh best on this site.. not just some fanboiy who loves his mums Subaru
The transverse mounting of the engine and transmission have little to nothing to do with how the system performs in that situation. The Evo seems to do pretty well for itself, now doesn't it. What kind of differentials does it have? What is the software setup? How do you know they didn't disconnect a wheel speed sensor in that situation, rendering any traction control system inoperative? Do that to an STi on one of the front wheels with the DCCD controller set at the rear, and it will do the exact same thing. How was I talking about the other things that go into the car? Please show me. Your blanket statement screams of your ignorance in how cars actually work. I'm being childish as usual, huh? Please explain. Yeah, I went off one night when I was buzzed up, but it wasn't without just cause. You were ripping on auto's without any foundation. You constantly talk out of your ass with absolutely nothing to back it up. You sound like 90% of internet mechanics that troll message boards, only knowing what others have posted, which, I hate to break it to you, is often bull****.
i called you childish because you get easily butthurt like this and no i didn't say i knew anything about mechanics please dont continue to assume...like i said...subaru has a better AWD system in comparison to the honda just look at the test! but oh wait..i forgot i cant base my opinion off a video footage i guess visual evidence should be thrown out of court too lol
Subaru has JUST begun to have a better AWD system since they introduced the traction control recently, '08?? They truely do have a much better AWD system because of the traction control. It is employed in all the new Subarus now. The transverse engine setup has NOTHING to do with how the car goes up that ramp. I have view that video in the past and there are many things the guys says that I disagree with. I really like the part where they "steer" saying it's pulling to the side making it dangerous. Let GO of the steering and we'll see if it TORQUE steers. That Legacy GT in the video has traction control in the VDC system of that model year. The Symetrical AWD system does NOT play a role in making the vehicle climb up the ramp. If you've seen my videos demonstration the DCCD you'll know some of it. With my DCCD LOCKED It'd be hard for me to climb up that ramp. The only way I can climb up that ramp is IF the fronts where slipping and only one rear had traction. If it was the rears slipping with only 1 front, I would NOT be able to climb it even if I did my e-brake trick. The FRONT Surtrac LSD doesn't work like a clutch type. I'd need traction control to alow the other wheels down so I can get torque to turn the wheel that's not slipping. Only NOW can Subaru make videos like these to really help them market their cars.
all the butthurtness aside, what really ticked me off about that video was that an auto manufacturer can label something full time 4wd and its clearly FWD biased. if you dont think the subaru in this video has a far superior awd system than the others tested, youre just blind and stupid. do that with any later model awd system and you would likely have the same results as the audi tested.
The tranverse/asym mounting allegations are pure bunk. Further, the claims that the Subaru "works" in this test exclusively because it is not transverse/asym are spurious at best. There has to be a lot more going on with the software and technology than the layout of the powerplant and driveline. The author's claim here is equivalent to asserting he's a stud because he picked up a chick at the bar. Sure, he may have picked up a chick but not because he's a stud. He picked her up because she's a whore and he timed it just right. All that said, Subaru FTMFy0
To all the experts, how would you compare Audi's quattro (not the one on the TT or the 4motion system) measure up against Subaru's system? I hear Audi's system is faster to re-act due to the torsen limited slip in the center differential. Whereas Subaru uses a cheaper/lighter viscous coupling which requires the fluid (in the center diff) to sense slip in an axle to send more power to the other. Also, Audi's system can send torque to individual wheels vs subaru's sending equal power to open axles front and rear axles (if STi has lsd in the rear, my apologies for the wrong assumption). Also I hear that Auto WRX's have the best Subaru AWD system due to dynamic shifting on torque depending on slip. Also, someone mentioned Honda's AWD is crap. Honda's AWD in CRV, Element etc. is crap, but SH-AWD is one of the best out there. I did some search online a while back but can't hurt to get some expert opinions.
wow...missed this thread... anyway, yea, as mentioned, script = fail. but a pretty sweet comparison. I'd like to see some quattro's up there, a subaru 5MT, and other AWD/FT4WD systems. and yea, most FT4WD systems are pretty lame. my wagon would be quite laughable up there with the center diff unlocked. but the rear diff is pretty strong, I bet it could climb with the center locked and only one back tire getting traction. the mechanics of a honda RT4WD system are simple. a gear driven (no differential) output coming out of the rear of the tranny off the front diff. and a viscous coupler on the driveshaft inline with the rear diff. it allows slip until there's enough to heat up the coupler and cause some friction, but it will never get to 100% lock (or anywhere near it!). also, I'd kill for a torsen center diff!!!!!
Those '08 Subarus they test does have the better AWD systems offered by Subaru. All new '08 Models ALL have VDC w/ TCS. BUT THEN using the LAYOUT of the drivetrain has nothing to do with it being able to climb up the ramp. It's all in the electronics that control the center diff lockup and applying brake to slow the spinning wheels down. My car won't make it up there if you allowed certain wheels to slip.
