Curb weight in the new C&D is listed as 3800 lbs. According to the new MT, the curb weight given was even higher. A Z06 with a giant V8 and American engineering weighs a touch over 3000lbs and costs the same. Is the new GT-R a porker? Discuss!
it looks heavy. however all of the new cars are getting heavier and heavier. Man I love the GC platform.
yeah i think it is a bit heavy but it should have good weight distribution with that transmission idea.. heavy enough to make it a bad handler but im sure its a monster on highway/straight lines... if i were to get one id wait the 2 extra years and get the one in the link.. http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/29/lightweight-nissan-gt-r-v-spec-coming-in-2010/
yeah, i've driven a couple on grand cayman down there for business. nothing special at all not a surprise that this one sucks
Cant be to bad... 11.7 sec 1/4 mile... not bad... all the reviews i have red said it is as fast as a 911 turbo...
yeah never the less it will be a monster.. maybe a jutted and lightwieght one will probably just increase its potential alot..
I'm sure the AWD hardware on the Skyline has something to do with the extra poundage, although it's not going to cover the whole 800lb spread. Keep in mind, it's going to be a fairly good sized car, considering it's a 2+2. IIRC the wheelbase is 16in longer than the 911 and the overall length is 6+in longer than the Porsche. The Corvette is smaller, uses hydroformed steel rails and a balsa composite in the floorpan for weight reduction. I'll take my Z06 in the White/Red Ron Fellows Edition please.
I just thought it could have been better designed to cut the weight. It reminds me of the old 3000GT VR-4, which weighed more than two tons. :eek4:
A 911 turbo weighs more than 3500 lbs, not exactly a lightweight itself. With how heavy these cars are- I'd rather have half the power and much better handling. (IE Lotus Exige S, or even better Lotus 2-11)
they are significantly heavier than my 4 door mercedes... not that my car is a benchmark for anything, but still
If compairing vett and the gt-r I would get the skyline. Built quality I bet is better on the skyline and all the toys you get in it. But to be honest I would rather get a lotus exige instead and have another car for daily driveing.
The problem with a lot of those performance cars is they're touted as the pinnacle of their product line in many cases. People who can afford to buy those typically want a ton of pleasantries built in that weigh it down a lot. For example the 911 comes with power windows, power locks, that huge audio/computing system in the center console, fully-motorized seats, the 3-point security system, rear wipers, and massive amounts of sound-deadening. Even the 911 GT3 RS has many of these options. This bloats what otherwise is a legendary driving machine. The Skyline is suffering the same, and my huge concern is that when it comes over to the US properly under the Infinity marque that it will suffer from the performance-inhibiting weight that makes the G37 as slow as my LGT. I applaud Mitsubishi and Subaru for offering lighter, motorsport-inspired versions of their cars like the Evo RS and STi Limited. Porsche had done that with previous versions of the GT3 and GT2 but it looks like they're simply fast luxury cars now. I would rather pay less for a car without power seats, power windows, color-matched handles and mirrors, less sound-deadening, even missing a head-unit. Hell I'd even pay the same for a car without that stuff. Can we get a Skyline Z-tune that's stripped down? I might actually be interested.
+1 you are right on that the people that can afford those cars want the cool features which ruin the car. One example i like is Aston Martin. in the DB9 you get full leather interior all the bells and whistles, actual wood dash trim ect... now look at the DB9S (the one prodrive designed) you get less features (plastic/carbon trim, less leather, ect...) and more power. function > form. Just seems like the people will buy these cars for the status symbol, but not so much for the motorsports aspect. on a whole how many people that buy a new Porsche, GT-R (new one in the US), Aston, and to some extent Ferrari will actually do something with it? (ie auto-x,track,ect...) They just drive them to work and home.
While you may be right on the Evo RS, the STI Limited is the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make. Sunroof, sound deadening (the regular STI has very minimal, if any deadening), leather interior, fewer aerodynamic aids all conspire to make it less motorsports oriented and more civilized. I read once that Lotus owners actually go for the power window option as it's lighter than the crank setup. Whether or not that's true for the Porsche I don't know. However, I'd hardly call a GT3 RS bloated. A curb weight of less than 3200 lbs for a car that size and features like A/C delete (if requested), thinner glass, and carbon fiber body pieces to reduce weight are features not often seen.
exactly... the R33 was a fat whore.... the r30 was the lightest weight sexy beast... View attachment 7104 View attachment 7105
When has nissan made a really fast, light car? The closest thing was the silvias, and they were never the flagship fast vehicles...
when have they made a car that was actually half as fun to drive as the "numbers" say it should be- nissan doesn't have any grasp of what makes a car fun to drive
The most fun car I've ever owned was a Nissan (well, Datsun actually). I had a 1974 260Z when I lived in Seattle. I would take one of those over a new Z any day of the week. Nissan just needs to go back to its roots.
ever read up in the nissan GTiR... 2.0 4wd Turbo... they called them the WRX eater in Australia.... http://videos.streetfire.net/video/123A0B32-B048-4565-AA91-8BB6AC6C566A.htm and against an EVO 6 http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C06CCB54-8C46-47C1-9BD2-98A501177468.htm the better video... http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B2762EE5-237F-463F-981E-8D6F94772CE6.htm does that answer your question???
you sir need to travel to another country and stop driving the crap they bring in this country.... Nissan makes the best cars... almost better then Subaru
you guys are right! 1974 WAS the last time they made a car that lived up to it's hype (and imported it) as far as the nissan makes the best cars, even better than subaru- i'll stock with my AMG Mercedes. Not wanting to start a flame war, but lmao.
I dunno, I'd take a 71-73 240Z before my 260Z. The 75-78 280Z wasn't too bad either and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the 510s.
eh, I'd take a Nissan over a MB. Sorry, just never had as much fun in a MB as in a Nissan...and I've driven some nice MB's.
fail. I'd take an AMG SL65 over any Nissan ever made. 6.0L V12, 36 valve, 604 hp @ 4800 rpm, 738 tq @ 2000 rpm
ok, a few exceptions and I apologize for generalizing. Plus, I'm not baller enough to have driven that And just one mans opinion, but MB's bore me. The nicest I've been in was an S600 Brabus...unfortunately just went straight really well. Sorry, bad day...I probably should have shut my mouth before responding.
no, you're perfectly correct. All the new mb's are really only good for one thing and that is going straight. the interiors suck too! relative to lexus and even to older mid 90s mercedes. you should see the anger on our forums, lol. mercedes has made and imported some fast and reasonably agile cars as well in low numbers- see the car i actually own the right 190e will blow an e30 m3 out of the water for example- and i doubt you'll argue that many nissans are were better than e30 m3s. more to the point right now- the cars they import currently have no road feel, strange brakes, and peaky powerbands (even when the graphs look straight) due to their transmission tuning when they are autos. compare this to honda, gm, ford, etc., let alone subaru, and def. completely let alone the german stuff and they fall well short.
Yeah, M-B has some weird/boring interiors. I hate their gauges. But man, the fast ones are FAST. I always wanted an E55 (I prefer the torque of the old sc versus the new N/A). However, after reading C&D with that 3.9 0-60 M-B recorded against the M3 and RS4, I almost had a heart attack! 3.9?!
and yet all the hype surrounds the new m3... my favorite thing in the world is guys in m3s who think they are faster than anything with 4 doors
My impression of nissan is based on the two cars that I recently owned (ok, infiniti's, but same difference)...G35 coupe and G35 sedan. While they are not blistering fast, they are a ball to drive and hold their own on the track. The engine is pretty bulletproof as well, although not as tunable as what we're used to. I agree that the fast MB's have an upside, but nearly all MB's have horrible old man interiors. I think an E63 wagon would be a fun grocery getter. I could still never buy anything MB for track duty, but for a daily driver...I'll concede, they might be fun (only the fast ones). Oh, the CLK 63 AMG Black might be fun, but if I were spending that much, I'd probably go with a GT3.
They're trying to make luxury sports car and that whole concept is an oxymoron mythical creature that doesn't exist. People who want stupid fast buy a cobra and juice it or buy an sti and put a huge turbo on it and spend at most 50 grand in the process. People who spend 80 grand on a stock car want performance too, but they also want to be able to pull up to the valet lane at belanote and have the valet driver park it out front. D-bags for sure, but that's the nature of (most) people who spend that kind of change on a car. Nissan doesn't have that kind of stature, neither does infinity. The GT-R is still just a boy racers wet dream. IMnsHO of course.
you guys are still caught up on the new HUGE benzes C63, CLK63- not so large at all and sportier than you think handling wise also, buying and modding my used benz has been barely more expensive than a subaru (and cheaper than a sti would have been to get the same power numbers...)
ok...you're talking power. I could care less about how much power my car has as long as it gets around a road course...faster than the other guy (although power is certainly part of the equation). My idea of fun is not if I can take you off the line and beat you to the end of a quarter mile, that is boring to me. Damn, I replied...I'll stop now. CLK63 Black is a heavy sucker though...you have to admit. But from what I've read does carry the weight pretty well
i'm trying to stay away from saying this (and i know it's a ridiculous comparison, since one of them was 50k more new)- but my c43 handles as well as my fully equipped (coilovers etc. etc.) suspensioned bugeye (the benz has similar suspension mods as well, also to be fair). the point remains though that they aren't all only good at going straight
