if your going to HIN please be aware they are pulling people over for loud exhaust / backfires / popping.. what the hell ever. I received my first exhaust ticket today for "popping exhaust" the controversy over which subie made the pop pop is up in the air since the police officer drove by the side of all of our scubies... found an opening behind me.. ran my plates and flipped his lights. also I found it Interesting that he told me "you can choose to get a factory upgraded exhaust.. AT THE DEALERSHIP, which is legal to buy and place on your car.. but illegal to drive with it on" cracking exhaust is my ticket... I officially have the stupidest ticket I have ever received.
usually tickets specify what they are on the back of them and...the cops got a sneak peek at that war-pig before mnsubaru
With Jason's and Nick's car behind yours, I think it's safe to say he wasn't hearing ANYTHING coming from your car:laugh: Sucks man. It won't stick, but still a hassle.
Thats lame man, how come trucks can drive around with the loudest exhuasts, glasspacks and all that stuff and they don't hassle them, or motorcycles. Even the police motorcycles are louder than subies with moded exhaust systems. It profiling!!! Import car discrimnation.
Stories like this make me mad. Seriously? WTF. Go take care of real problems. I'd venture to guess that very, VERY few people give a flying f*** about some rubblez. Hey - come patrol my neighborhood. We have actual criminals destroying people's property.
Were you cited by a 1st precinct officer? They don't then do do traffic much at all. If 1st, what was the officer's name? (I can't do anything, I'm just curious if it's who I'm thinking of) They're cracking down because last year's HIN was very problematic resulting in a number of police calls including some officer in need of assitance calls (I was on a ride-along during HIN in downtown Minneapolis last year. HIN ****ed up last year and had basically no control over thier event, and they basically chose then to not give it any leash this year. This is why I've been harping on the cars and coffee dumb****s to keep tools from acting like tools outside of their parking lots. Otherwise, the much touchier suburban cops are going ot make thier lives suck) Cracking is however, illegal. I assume you were cited under 169.69 This law was mainly designed to prohibit "straight through" (glass-pack) exhausts. The statement regarding "OEM" aftermarket exhausts is technically correct, though i don't know if it applies to Subaru exhuasts (the worst offenders is harley). However, if the OEM exhaust has DOT approval you're going to have a legitmate case if functioning properly (rusted out exhaust is no excuse), hence why the SRT4 exhaust which does otherwise violate this statute is not a violation. 1st precinct MPD doesn't even have an unofficial quota (I don't know about traffic) This doesn't happen in Minneapolis. Traffic tickets by MPD are mostly consider a PITA if it's not DWI, racing, serious speed, etc.
They're only doing this to remind those who might start trouble at HIN that they're there. Again, you wnat to blame someone for this, blame HIN last year. They ****ed last year and cost the city of Minneapolis due to a number of police calls. They showed they couldn't keep control of the attendees, so the police are doing it. Yes, they're picking on minor, annoying ****, but it has a reason. Hey all you who think it's fun to light it up out of firestone (you knwo who you are), know that this WILL start happening to us there too if you keep it up. Subaru's basically get the most hands off approach on University of any non-Porky's crowd (Really we do. It's nearly policy). And that's because the police never have to deal with us, unless there's some drunk-ass guy with 5 DLs who won't leave. Don't **** where you eat. (Can you tell I'm sick of car groups that **** around in the same place and then bitch that they get hassled by cops? These groups also make it less likely that other car groups will get the benefit of the doubt) Oh and given the ****ing number of loud ass fart cans flying by my window every night after 10PM, I'm all for it.
I guess I'm just in awe that you don't find any redeeming qualities in the police. Maybe one day you'll respect the fact they they risk their lives every day they are on duty to help out all citizens...even people like you who see "no redeeming qualities" in them.
Overall sounds like BS to me, why punish people for HIN's mistake last year? The cops should just camp outside of HIN and wait for it to end then ticket the hell outta people acting like R-tards..
I love how people automatically jump to this conclusion. It is not just Harley and it is not Harley that is the cause of the problem. Sorry to go off on this but I have spent a fair amount of time in the past 10 years working in motorcycle shops tuning out burbling/backfiring exhaust and not just on Harleys but on Hondas, Yamahas, Suzukis, Victory.... and so on. Properly tuned exhaust will not burble/back fire on deceleration. Factory exhaust for any EPA certified motorcycle manufacture does have have to be certified to meet the EPAs noise requirements. American Iron Horse(AIH), Borget for example are both EPA certified manufactures. Both however come with exhaust that is by far louder then Harleys. AIH exhaust was manufactured by D&D out of Texas, the same exhaust is also sold retail into the custom market. Which brings up that it is not the manufacture of the motorcycle that is to blame. It is the person bolting on that said aftermarket exhaust on to the motorcycle that fails to tune the bike for it that is to blame. Not the maker of the motorcycle, the exhaust manufacture; But the person doing the work/owner of the bike. It is not just Harley, it is the vast majority of any motorcycle brand that has had a aftermarket exhaust put on it. Many owners go the DIY route and are too cheap to pay some one to retune it or don't know it should be retuned. Many don't do any thing unless there is a drastic runability issue after wards. It is the owners of the bikes that are at fault, not the manufacture of the bike or the exhaust manufacture. This is not just limited to just Harley, it is a issue that plagues the motorcycle industry/community. Don't forget that motorcycles don't fall under the same noise requirements as cars, it is a separate statute. I know for a fact that this has happened in MPLS and I am willing to bet it happens in every district On some level. In 2002 there were two MPLS officers that routinely came into Easy Riders as they were friends of the owner and the topic of quotas came up. It was mentioned that even though quotas are not/can not be issued, it does not stop individual officers from having a so called friendly competition. I would rather those officers be out looking for the person who shot the bullet through Easy Riders store front then out writing exhaust tickets. Even so if your exhaust is illegal and you get a ticket for it, you have no one to blame but your self. The owner of the vehicle had the opportunity to correct any problem before it was ever driven on the street.
I do believe that an exhaust ticket is the owner's fault, however, I think the cops have better things to be doing. Especially on a night when you've got pretty much every ricer in the cities cruising downtown.
this is not going to turn into a war on hating cops. I just expressed my irritation for recieving a ticket for something I felt was an unreasonable charge. Could they have pointed the attention at something more usefull... Yes. I drove home last I will have my brief moment talking to the procecuting attiurny and tell them what happened. I don't want to waste court recorces over a stupid ticket anymore then they want to. I will report what happens. Please stop arguing over the law which is blatently open for an opinion call on the ticket.
Yes, the law is open to interpretation. Yes, some cops would've driven right by you without thinking twice. But when someone comments that the cops do nothing good...I think that's over the line and I'm surprised no one else said anything about it. I won't post anymore in this thread, but I sure hope not all of you feel the same about cops doing nothing redeemable...
Uhm, the issue is Harley because they actively encourage dealers to sell loud exhausts at thier dealers. Very few Harley leave the dealer with stock EPA legal exhausts. Is that different than sport bike manufacturers? Not much. But the volume is greater. And yes, I'm well aware of the motorcycle noise rules and if you found it here, it's probably because I cited it. It's an annoying law, and anyhow, most bikes are above it anyhow. regarding competitions, I'm speaking of actual competitions, often unofficially (or even officially) sanctioned by higher ranking officers. Common rewards are things like sports game tickets and the like. However, traffoc tickets are a pain in the ass for Minneapolis. And I can tell you quite for certain 1st precint, who likely cited the OP doesn't have any quota offical or unofficial. They do have real crimes to deal with (and as I've explained, they see citing during HIN as preventing real crimes) Now there are many departments in the cities area that do have unoffical quotas that are both pretty high and well enforced. Minneapolis is not one of them.
agreed all cops are horrible people that need to get it through their thick skulls that THEY decided to take the crappy job and they should not take it out on people that are just trying to have an enjoyable weekend
^gorw up.. same as all import drivers are pathetic rejects who's momma bought them a car cause they a dumb twats...
i wish my momma would hav bought me a car... lol i do agree that cops need to care more about things that matter... like exhaust tickets and no front liscense plates and all that bull****... but i wouldnt say they are horrible people... just corrupted in some ways... especially when they use there priveledge as a cop to break the law freely...
Re-read my post - I said "I've yet...". I'm older than most of you and, for better or for worse, have only experienced police when they are in full harassment mode looking for issues that don't exist until they instigate them. The irony is that many cops blame their bad behavior on the stress of a job where they find themselves in harm's way. Something they knew when they took the job in the first place...:roll: I look forward to someday having a positive experience with the police.
i second that... its very sad at times especially out in a smaller town like i live (pop. 6000) me and a buddy ran out of gas and we had to push the car 3/4 of a mile to a gas station... we were passed by a cop with our hazards on and pushing the car.... he drove right by.... isnt that in his job? to help the misfortunate... my neighbor saw us and stopped to lend a hand when we got to the gas station there was mr. justice.... honest to god he was parked right in front of the fire hydrant and was inside making a sad attemp at flirting with the cashier... after this and getting pulled over for stupid **** like 57 in a 55 and exhaust and car height... honest car height... iv lost pretty much all respect for law enforcement.
Well, I guess it's a good thing you've never had to experience them in a way that they have to "save" you or something like that. I too have been "harrassed" by cops...even to the extent where a cop one gave me a careless driving ticket for "doing a burnout" in an intersection (with my na 2.5rs...), almost hitting a pedestrian, all the while she could hear my motor (yes, she actually made a deal about hearing my motor). I went to a hearing officer because absolutely none of it was true. The hearing officer just laughed at the ticket and asked me to explain. I told her I have an awd car that isn't powerful enough to do a burnout...I just flat out didn't almost hit a pedestrian...and I drive a manual car, so I have to rev my engine to go. She just threw the ticket out and said it was typical of that specific officer. I guess the only time the majority of us ever deal with cops is when it's for something fairly insignificant...so I guess I can see the other point of view.
I am not going to pick points on this to argue and I could. All I am going to suggest is go work in the industry for a few years and see first hand how it works. A dealer is a dealer, regardless of brand. They make very little money on the sale of a motorcycle. Their money is made on parts, parts sold to the customer. It is up to the customer to make sure those parts are used appropriately and in accordance with the law. They are the end user. Same as the automotive industry. I knew this long before I ever joined this forum, I worked in the industry for 10 years. I think most shops know this by heart as customers seem to ask what the laws are on a regular basis. However you would not believe the number of tickets I have seen written out to to poeple with factory, EPA aproved exhaust. It is insane. For those customers we would print a copy of the parts book that stated it was EPA aproved or take a picture of the EPA aproved stamp on the pipes so they could take it to court. Hell I still remember the standard disclaimer on the invoice for none EPA compliant exhaust. "This exhaust system installed at the request of ______ is not a street legal system and is for track use only" For the record, no I don't hate officers of the law, many of them are my friends. They have a hell of a job to do. When I am stopped I go out of my way to make them feel safe when they approach the car(windows down, hands on the steering wheel and no fast movements)
