New cars......The Silent Killer

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    ...and what are they getting at?! They say that cars exceed government standards, but they say there is no link to cancer... Headaches, nausea, and sore throats are nothing anyone wants, but I think they want the attention by adding the "cancer" word to it...

    Sounds like the cell phone scare (brain cancer) that was recently proven to be false.
     
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    Really? when was it disproven?
     
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    I read it in a trade magazine (EE Times) a couple of months back. I will see if I can dig it up.
     
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    cool
     
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    This isn't the one I read, but it is one of the more recent studies. They do admit, however, that there is more research to be done in this article.


    Mobile Pipeline
    TechWeb.com
    (04/12/2005 12:51 PM EDT)


    MANHASSET, N.Y.  A study in a medical journal found no connection between the use of cellphones and increased risk of brain tumors. The study, conducted in Denmark, was published Tuesday (April 12) by the American Academy of Neurology. The study interviewed 427 people with brain tumors and 822 without tumors, asking about their use of cellphones.
    The study found no correlation between the development of brain tumors and how frequently mobile phones were used or the length of use. Nor did the study find any evidence that brain tumors were more likely to occur on the side of the head most used with cellphones.

    The findings are consistent with other studies, Dr. Christoffer Johansen of the Danish Cancer Society, said in a statement. Johansen was one of the study's authors.

    "These results are in line with other large studies on this question, including a recently published large-scale, population-based study by the Swedish Interphone Study Group," Johansen said. "There have been a few studies that found an increased risk of brain tumors with cellphone use, but those studies have been criticized for problems with the study design."

    A 2002 study, for instance, found some indication that long-time users of analog cellphones had a greater tendency to develop a specific type of tumor on the side of the head most often used for making calls.

    Johansen cautioned that the new study covered very few people who regularly used cellphones for more than 10 years.

    "In our study, few people reported regular cellphone use for 10 years or more," Johansen said. "We won't be able to make any firm conclusions until we can confirm these results with studies with more long-term and heavy cell phone users."

    Despite the findings, using a hands-free system for cellphone use will eliminate any dangers, Johansen said.
     
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    An interesting, older, commentary by an Engineer (this is more or less how I felt all along):

    Craig Mathias
    EE Times
    (05/07/2001 10:13 AM EDT)


    After almost 200 years of theory and practice, we know a lot about wireless. We know about modulation, propagation, interference management, power consumption, packaging, antennas, middleware and so on. Ask almost any question about radio, and we have an answer. But one question has no answer: In the vernacular, do cell phones cause cancer?


    OK, this is a rather inelegant way to put it, but it's on a lot of minds and has been for some time. Of course, it's not just cell phones; conceivably, any RF emission of sufficient duration and power could cause concern. And it's not just cancer, which seems to be the catch-all for our gross fear of illness. Indeed, the broader question is: Can radio make us sick and if so, how sick and under what circumstances?


    Clearly, there are some situations where we absolutely know that RF is going to harm us. But this usually involves much higher power levels or longer-duration exposure than most people would ever experience. So, what about cell phones? Occasional use, low power, hmmm . . . shouldn't be a problem. Why can't we prove-given our long history of scientific investigation, our broad understanding of electromagnetics and the range of outstanding tools and techniques available today-that cell phones don't cause cancer?


    Because, in the immortal words of Justice Clarence Thomas, you can't prove a negative. We need, therefore, to look for proof that cell phones are in any way harmful. And to date, despite numerous studies by engineers, scientists, physicians and public-health experts, there simply isn't any substantive evidence to make that case. Just about every study concludes with the statement that more study is indicated or required, perhaps because (let me be a little cynical here) more study is what such researchers do. Will we eventually find a connection between cell phone (or any other similar radio) usage and cancer (or any other human illness)? I really doubt it. But I'm certainly in favor of additional epidemiological studies. If a pattern emerges and a correlation can be established, I'd feel better with the knowledge in hand, and I'm sure you would as well.


    The health question, I fear, will continue to haunt us. In the end, I'm willing to bet, we've nothing undue to fear. So when someone moves away as you fire up your phone for fear of "second-hand cellular," at least be comforted that they're not trying to eavesdrop on your conversation.
     
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    They say everything causes cancer now. I say screw it, we were meant to die at some point.. Why not enjoy that new car smell. I know I still do.
     
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    The ironic thing would be that you get in an accident in your new, cancer free, car and get killed... I agree you cannot control how you die so why not just live. :twisted:
     
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    This brain tumor crap is worthless anyway. The Israelis found a link between cell phone use and eye problems, like glaucoma and cataracts.

    http://www.isracast.com/tech_news/250705_tech.htm

    They say even short term damage may be nonrepairable.

    Still, we can die of anything... like choking on a ham sandwich! :lol:
     
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    eh i've also read that ORAL SEX can lead to cancer...though proven false! look at them porn stars!
     
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    Actually, that cellphone/eye damage thing doesn't sound too far off. My brother and I both have cell phones that we have used ALOT (we don't use house phones AT ALL, probably around 6 years or so) and we have both noticed that our vision has gotten worse, but is still better than most people's.
     
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