I was searching around with the going Stage 2 options and most people recommend "tuning" to be the best option. With a TBE and Snorkel delete how long of a tune do you think it would be worth it? I'd say 2hrs but I know dippshiieett. I saw that alot of people do about 3hrs on nasioc. I was thinking DB or RS-Motors.... EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT TIME TO BE TUNING, IT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR ME TO THINK
Check out tintmasters.net I had my car road tuned at their burnsville location and i was really pleased. I have heard some bad stuff about db. Don't know anything about the other place you listed.
Hmm I'm not too sure about road tuning. Kind of scares me because well its not legal or too safe. Plus I want numbers to compare to my base numbers I got before. Well there are alot of rumors on DB and LSE. But then again your car can fcuk up at any dyno because it's at your own risk.
what EM are you running? how much are you wanting to make. i would get a Ap or some type and call it a day. wont make that much more on a stage2 tune. injectors and fuel will be maked out.
Oh come on. This isn't even close to true. It's pretty hard to max out the STI injectors with the stock turbo and a stage 2 setup, even with a very agressive stage 2 map. A protune is going to blow any staged map out of the water.
Considering you lean out the stock mapping a lot I'd bet you'd be close or even under IDC of the stock tune.
Really i was thinking was the XPT Stage 2 map or else open ecu tuning. So I am thinking searching, thinking and searching, and finally have come to a conclusion of not knowing what I want. Jorge? Whos that?
Subaru tunning master, quote from his Myspace "I build racecars". Do a goggle search on the man, or just try the search button you be amazed the kinda stuff you find on the interwebz.
Welp when he started out he was worse then me. With his 03 EVO he killed the clutch within 2,000miles and then another one at 12,000 and then crashed his car once and then another clutch at around 40,000 and now he is on his 4th clutch. So compared to him I don't think I'm doing too bad. But hey that's where all my influence came from.:biggrin: BUT hey I will now go researching on Jorge. Thankyou all. Bye now.
I agree with Nuke. On the contrary, road tuning is safer than dyno tuning because the car will be tuned under the correct load condition and other factors that it will be driven on.
I don't think AP are worth the money. Although I want that step 2 launching so bad:yumyum: I'm just trying to get everyone's opinion because I just want the best. What worried me is XPT Stage 2 map is set to 20psi to target 17psi. But isn't 20psi pretty much the limit of the stock BPV? Kind of scares me.
nah, if it's tuned to handle whatever, then it'll work. Well, if you wanted Jorge to tune, he'll do AP when he's here.
oops. didnt even see that it was an STI figured wrx... hahaha mind was some were esle at 3 in the mornig
well i dont even know why the 06wrx injectors are bigger then the sti's but yeap. i'm just going to go xpt stage 2 instead of the 1k tbe tune. even though the tuner will be a great one i just don't have money for that
Just a little insight on the launch control/flat foot feature from cobb. When flat foot shifting there is somthing that makes the ecu sense knock so it retards the timing. I found this out when i did a few pulls against my buudy who has a cobb stage 2 wrx. With my no LC/FFS map i smoked him pretty good( i have a 06 wrx vf39 setup). Then we did a pull with my LC/FFS map to see what difference there would be. We were even After looking at a data log of that pull i noticed that the ecu pulled timing. I then switched back to my no LC map and smoked him again. So i deduced that the LC/FFS feature is the culprit. Dynoflash confirmed this in one of is videos on youtube too. Just thought i would let ya know
The issue with ffs has been known about since they released it. I'm not aware of that same issue applying to using lc though. Topspeed or one of the other vendors posted a thread on iwsti that they were able to tune the timing issue out.
It's not really an issue with the Cobb FFS code. It's an issue when banging the rev-limiter repeatedly, and leaving stock(ish) Subaru knock correction values. It is fairly easily tuned out, provided the tuner knows what he/she is doing. Having never actually looked in detail at a Cobb map, I can't confirm this, but it's becoming more and more apparent that Cobb simply doesn't make large changes to many portions of the stock Subaru maps, even if changing certain values could prevent potential problems. Posts on NASIOC by Christian have indicated that Cobb takes the stance "Subaru/Denso knew what they where doing when they designed the stock Subaru mapping, and we only tweak certain portions of the stock maps." This is interesting as this is almost the opposite approach to that of the OSecu/Enginuity guys -- they really do a "reverse engineer," and the goal is to pick apart each map, and what it does. Many of these maps and their function are found by one of the users posting something like "I logged xxxxxx value, and it looks really wired in this situation, WTF is happening?" Obviously, I'm somewhat biased as to what approach I think is best, but I find the differences interesting, as each group also comes to the table with different resources and objectives. Wow, that got kinda long. Food for thought, at least.
You hit the nail on the head, Nate. At least this has been what I've seen for their 02-05 WRX maps. They don't even change the load scaling for even their vf34 map. :eek4:
:roll: Wow. Honestly, that is just bordering on incompetence. On NASIOC, in the 07 STI compression thread (detailing the problems with the '07 STI), I distinctly remember Christian posting a paragraph as to why he thought the Subaru knock control strategy/values shouldn't be changed, and cited how large portion of Australian users remove knock sensors completely. Reading that, I lost a lot of respect for Cobb in general. Above all, I (and I think a very large part of the community) want a tune that will protect my engine. The Subaru ECU and map is designed with that in mind as the number one goal, and so should any aftermarket tune. I'm just not sure Cobb creates their base maps with that in mind.
