RS25.com is getting a sick group buy going on i-Speed reflashes

Don't know if anyone else has noticed - but I just saw a group buy being put together over on rs25.com for i-Speed reflashes.

If they get over 20 people it's like 25% off. So, under $300 start to finish for a flash. That seems like an awesome deal.

Awesome enough that I'm probably in like flint.


http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95776

 

God, I should get back into tuning. The prices some of you goons pay for a simple (and sometimes crappy) tune is rediculous.

 

Yeah - but no one except i-Speed seems to be able to flash these 99-01 ECU's.

Oh and thanks for calling me a goon.

 

Ha! No problem.

So do most of the GC dudes do some sort of piggyback or standalone? I'm pretty clueless about those cars.....didn't realize you couldn't reflash them.

If that's the case, then I guess the price might be justified. But you are still a goon. :biggrin:

 

I may in fact be a goon.

But no - the ECU's are particularly sensitive and have a high failure rate. There is equipment out there to do it but from what I recall only one place in the world sells the right electronics to flash it and it's several thousand dollars.

I guess not a lot of NA guys tune. Anyone who does forced induction on these older Subies has to do piggyback or standalone - which immediately becomes more due to the cost of the electronics in addition to the tune.

Also, we're talking about a very small range of configurations - with NA its basically intake, exhaust, and cams - that's it. It seems to be the kind of thing where an off-the-shelf tune is perfectly fine - probably very, very safe and yet also pulling about as much power as possible out of the setup while keeping it driveable.

For me - its a perfect solution while staying NA - and for $300 it's likely to be the biggest bang for my buck mod period.

 

I've got the I-Speed RS reflash. I've got no complaints with it, considerably more refined then stock, more consistent in power delivery and fuel usage. For the NA guys, it's a pretty good buy. For the turbo guys, I don't know. Maybe you guys have too many variables to develop a good universal flash. However, I'll happy point any NA owner within the flashable year range to I-Speed's RS reflash.

 

Pfft, you already knew that before this thread. The price a lot of people pay for some shop tunes is ridiculous. Wanna start a shop? :laugh:

 

welcome to the family then! lolz. :laugh:

 

The options for NA people (or people who started NA) are: I-Speed reflash, Perfect Power PP6, Cobb AP (supposedly there is a version for a 2005 RS and only a 2005 RS), Greddy Emanage, Standalone (link, hydra, ect...) or no EM at all.

qstarin is totally right that buying an EM is considerably more expensive. PP6s go for about 3-400 and are a pain to work with. The emange is less than that but still not cheap. Standalones are expensive. It also becomes an issue that if you get one of these you become very limited on who can tune your car, and in most cases it falls upon the owner to do their own tuning. which is perfectly fine, but it is a ton of hassle for someone who just wants a set it and forget it map.

I have been boosted with both a PP6 and no EM. As of now I prefer no EM, and will until my motor changes from an E to a T. Although the PP6 did give me mad gains while I was NA...

 

300 dollars for 5-7 hp really doesnt sound worthwhile to me, I know its all you guys have, but IMO your money would be better spent on handling mods, Ive been through the n/a modding, it was a waste of money, luckily i was able to use lots of the mods in my turbo setup. If you really wanna mod an N/A, you are best off waiting to get your reflash after doing some more in depth mods like camshafts.

 

^That. I wouldnt consider doing any engine mods, except intake and exhaust on an NA 4banger. Suspension, most definitly!!

 

They offer various stages of flash for what setup you have. Supposedly, with full I/H/E/cams etc., some guys on RS25 are making enough to go somewhat neck and neck with a stock 02-03 wrx. 180 or so to the crank? I'd take that for 300 bucks if I had the full setup like I used to. It's better than most other N/A options out there for these cars, I should know. Like a lot of other guys on RS25, I've been messing around with N/A subarus long before the wrx even showed any hint of making it here. For N/A, 100 bucks for every 1-2whp gain would be a good deal.

And yea, that's not saying much, but we're talking N/A here. Don't gotta wait for the spool = fun times at the autox.

For those who say just save up for the swap (which is the route I took), I'd say it's only 300 bucks and with that group buy, it's a great deal. Have some fun with it, then sell it when you swap so some other RS owner can have their fun.

 

Personally, I've been debating myself on whether to do a swap or build my NA some (I/E/C + flash).

I don't know that building NA will be enough power - though I know it will be a lot funner than what I have now.

Going FI is a bit too much for me right now, but with this flash deal I could be into some NA power real soon.

It's a no brainer for me.

If I swap or build later I'll get back a decent portion of what I put into the NA now.


I posted this up more for anyone who wanted an i-Speed flash since this appears to be the time to buy one. I wasn't going to spend on power until next summer, but if I even think I'll put work into my NA then it would be silly for me to pass up this deal.

 

Yeah, enjoy all of that 150wtq.

My car made 349wtq at 3k.....and that was with the dyno pull starting at 2500rpm. :eek4:

 

k Debbie Downer.

I'll take my 150wtq for now while I learn and save and plan for something better down the road.

You'd suggest just sticking it out with 98 until then instead?

But to be fair, those numbers do sound yummy.

 

150 wtq, I think my olds makes that at 750 rpm :laugh:


sorry man, I'm sure it will be extremely torquey and good for stoplight to stoplight, snow would also be fun.

 

Keep the 98....and do a swap down the road. :yumyum:

 

Your car this, your car that. This is why I'm on RS25 much more than here, or NASIOC. Did that comment make your peen any larger? I hope it did.

You do what you can with what you've got. Not everyone has the money/time/experience to make those kinda numbers with a turbo car. Like it or not, N/A low end response IS better than your average 205/255/257 before the spool. It sure as hell was better than my 207 before the spool.

 

Your 150 wtq is avail when? 2K rpm? well tom's 350 is avail at maybe 2100. In subaru world N/A is NOT superior in any way. Not even fuel mileage. If you like it so much better on rs25 then stay over there.

 

oh snap

 

If a supposed tuner tells you he/she cannot work with your system, then a little red light should go on in your brain that says stay the **** away from that person. Jorge said it best. "Fuel is fuel, timing is still timing." The interface might be slightly different, but they still do the same damn thing. I can take the knowledge I've gained with my Link Plus, and apply it to any EMS. There will be a little time with the learning curve for a particular interface, but it is all the same in the end. If you are worried about munching an engine with an unfamiliar format, then you are trying to go way too fast.

Sounds like you haven't driven a turbo car with a properly matched turbo that is much larger than stock. A well matched turbo will come on very linear and be more drivable at the limit compared to an NA car of the same displacement. Power can save your ass in the right situation.

The low end in my beater Subaru still sucks major ass. Besides, you only really need "low end" if you suck at driving with a manual transmission. See, thats the point. You choose your RPM's for a given speed. If you can't be there when you need it, you fail. Especially if you are at a 30R or smaller.


Maybe you should follow 3rik's advice...

 

Yes.

 

My 150 wtq? Do you know what a 207 is? Or did you miss that part?

Drive both a fully modded high comp N/A and then go drive a low comp turbo, then talk about which one responds better on the low end. You can't change the laws of physics. Turbos take time to spool. Doesn't matter how short that time is (though you wish he got 350wtq at 2100 - maybe in dreamland). Before then, high comp wins. End of discussion.

And yes, I do like it much better on RS25. Fewer n00bs stroking egos. Have a nice day.

 

The I-Speed RS reflash (whatever version fits your car) is a good buy in my eyes. It's not just about raw numbers. It's just that it's simply a much more refined tune over the oem tune. Power gains are everywhere, power delivery is smoother, throttle response more linear, and fuel usage more consistent. Sure it's only 5-10HP, but it's everywhere. It smooths out the peaks/dips/delays in power delivery. The throttle is more linear in behavior and you actually feel like most of the range is usable. Mileage is much more consistent. I get 24.5mpg +/- 0.5mpg basically aways except for pure highway which is about 26.5mpg. It doesn't matter if I'm in town and taking short trips, in summer or winter. My mileage is between 23-25mpg. With the stock tune I saw anywhere from 21 to 27 mpg pretty much just depending on how I drove the car for the week. It fluctuated considerably by driving style and also did suffer some over the winter. I would say it averaged about 20 more miles on a tank then the I-Speed flash, but it varied a good deal more. There's just so much more to it. Just buy it. That's all I can suggest.

 

i posted up..i'm in this beotch

 

You had nothing to say in response to my arguments, so I'll take it.


Larger forums like NASIOC, RS25, SL-i, etc, mean there are many more people who don't know wtf they are talking about. Sweet dreams.

 

I had nothing to say to your arguments because I never came here to argue. This is not about how your turbo makes more power than someone else's N/A.

This is what I originally came here to say. I used to be N/A with full bolt-ons, I came to offer my piece. I didn't make jabs at anyone. Then we got the ego stroking. And then you came here for? You had a beater, according to what you said, how does that even compare? Not worth my time. This is the last time you will be getting me to help make a mess of qstarin's thread.

 

Yes I know what a ej207 is jackass, and Ive driven both, I was using the 150wtq as a comparison, by saying "your" I meant anyone who has that type of torque at a given RPM. N00b? Ive been in the subaru INDUSTRY for 7 years, watch who you are calling a n00b, stay on RS25, its full of people just like you.

 

I'm not sure why this had to turn into a big ol' argument.

Some people will want the i-Speed reflash regardless, and for them I only wanted to spread the word on the current deal going on.

That is all.

 

I didnt really mean to crap in your thread, Its your automobile you can do what you feel!

 

No worries - I totally get your point about turbo having gobs more power, tons more potential, and very few downsides. I personally am just not ready for that leap yet - and this will be, IMO, a good interim power bump. It's not like it will take $$ away from me doing a swap in the future.

Like I said before, 98 or 150 - I'll take 150. I do still plan to swap eventually.

 

I own a NA Forester. My brother owns a turbo Forester. I've driven and auto-x and rally-x raced both vehicles stock and modded some. I can't tell you I'd automatically buy the turbo. Raw power is one thing. How it delivers that raw power is another. Also it depends on how much of that power you normally use or even need. How do you want that power delivered? How do you have to change your driving methods to adapt to the change in power delivery? Are there specific weaknesses to the design? What about costs, wear, even the near 5mpg difference and the requirement for premium? It's just not so cut and dry and really depends upon the preference of the driver and the intended use for the vehicle.

 

[cough]eg33[/cough]

just playin erik, but im still excited about my future NA upgrade

 

LOL like i told my wife, if the tribeca ever gets totalled, I'm buying it back and stealing the drivetrain ez30 vs eg33


my money is on the variable valve timing and lift

 

well you better hurry up and destroy the tribeca cause ill be bringin "the heat" by this summer.

 

oh sht, nvm you'll just have to see if you can hang with the million mile boosted 2.2

 

^ that would probably be a good match up. i love that your 2.2 wont die!

 

Bump for the last day to get in on this deal. Mine's already ordered! :banana: