Seems like internet crap peddlers aren't limted to car stuff.

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  1. techy101
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    Wow, just wow.

    http://www.dakiom.com/

    This should go right next to the turbonator. Fix your "unstable" audio signals:laugh:
     
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    Internet and real life crap peddlers are all around us....sad but true.
     
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    What?! Come on, didn't you see their highly technical MSPaint schematics? Totally legit :laugh:

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    readymix ...Lest ye be trod upon... Staff Member

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    No ****. The "wires" on your schematic aren't supposed to sag with gravity. Idiots.
    Also, Hardcore Audiophiles are THE dumbest people I've encountered. Turbonators are one thing, I mean, you could probably get away with spending only 500 bucks for all the big time automotive snake oil on the market right now. But for Audiophile retards...that's a drop in the barrel.
    My all time favorites are:
    Gold plated Monster brand DVI and/or HDMI cables. If you buy one of these for any reason, you are stupid.
    Directional Speaker Cables. If you buy 'directional speaker cable' you are retarded. No questions.
     
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    Let me also add this tidbit of info for those of you that are looking for high end retard cables for digital signals. You can tell me till you are blue in the face that gold plated, 0 gauge Monster cables give you better picture quality, better color reproduction, brighter colors and more contrast, or whatever else the snake oil told you about those cables. But the FACT of the matter is this:
    DIGITAL signals are always, and will always be 1's and 0's. LOGIC data is always on or off, 1 or 0. Gold plating will not add 1's and 0's to your data, 0 gauge wire will not add 1's and 0's to your data, magnetic fields and special coatings will NOT ADD 1's AND 0's TO YOUR DATA!!!
     
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    Yes, you are correct with digital. But, with standard cables and junk, the best connectors are still the best.

    But who uses that crap anyway and cares about the BEST quality available? ha
     
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    Ok, listen. There are super awesome cables, and then there is snake oil. Copper isn't directional. Yes, a thicker cable has lower impedence and therefore transfers the analog signal from one end to the other much cleaner. It's the 45,000 dollar per 10ft cables that I'm talking about there. Yeah, thicker cables have an effect for sure, from a simple electrical standpoint. And that is only for analog signals.
     
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    Yes, but digital produces sounds that are so lifeless!!! So the only choice is analog with lots of gold wherever possible! Maybe some occasional platinum...
     
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    Again, I'm not questioning that. I'm questioning the use of gold plated, large gauge, over shielded digital cables. Digital sound is lifeless, but it doesn't mean that overpriced cables will fix it.
     
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    Some of the best connectors are not gold plated. See ADC....
     
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    heck soldering is a connector ha a ha
     
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    To clarify a few things here...

    Digital can be just as good or better than analog these days. It will continue to surpass analog as the years progress. It is true that the old 32k, etc... digital signals did sound dry and lifeless. (MP3's don't count, they're way past their prime and a crappy example of digital) Part of that was the encoding and part of that was the hardware. These days, as long as you aren't buying the bottom of the barrel radio shack stuff, digital will easily match analog. That's why most live sound consoles and tons of recording consoles are going digital. Heck, I just installed a Yamaha digital console and it blows the doors off our old analog board in terms of sound quality.
    This issue was a real true problem back in the beginning of digital, but with modern technology is basically a wash. (much like the idea you need a big V8 to get any real torque or power). Also digital has a much lower noise floor which allows for less junk to be introduced to the end product, especially when you are listening to very weak signals (aka quiet).

    +1 @ Readymix. Digital signals work or they don't work. They can't be "enhanced" or made better, AND they require very little headroom to pass through the cable cleanly.

    For connectors, Gold, Platinum, etc.. are a joke. While it is true that they conduct better, having it plated on a connector doesn't really do jack. In order to see the true benefit of the exotic metals you need to have the entire signal path (Cables, connectors, solder, internal components, etc...) gold plated/made of gold, etc... Because if the incoming signal is over copper, and the outgoing signal is over copper or lead, you're still limited by the "weakest link" which is most likely the copper wire.

    Which brings me to...

    HEADROOM! None of this nonsense matters at all if you aren't exceeding the available headroom in the cable, connector, trace, etc... To put this in simple terms, if you had 100dBv of headroom in a cable. (these are just random numbers). And you had a signal that was 50dBv. It would pass through the cable just fine with no problems. If you were to make the cable longer so because of the internal resistance you only had 75dBv of headroom your signal would STILL pass just fine. If you get to the point where you have 50-55 dBv of headroom then your starting to degrade the signal.
    Increasing wire gauge does have its roots in truth, but it only makes a damn bit of difference when your signal is outgrowing the available headroom in the cable.

    Another note on connectors, Soldering will give you better results than connectors 100% of the time. It's a much better connection (even if it's 60/40 lead rosin core) with so much more surface area that it's not even funny.

    And one more thing about cables. There are crap cables, and there are decent cables. Anything beyond decent you will almost never notice the difference. Most anyone who says otherwise wants to hear a difference because they spent so much $$ on them.

    EDIT: And for the noise rejection properties of cable... Modern cable construction has mitigated most problems as far as noise making it into the cable. If you really want a clean signal, use a balanced cable and connectors. This will give you the full benifits of common mode rejection using a basic cheap cable, and blow past the high end unbalanced cables. But since most all consumer grade anything is unbalanced it's a moot point. It's a poor choice of connection if you're looking for the best noise rejection. (My 22 gauge foil shielded with a drain will outperform a high end monster cable any day of the week on a line level signal.)
     
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    Wow, that's pretty bad!

    -Steve
     
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    Let me remind people that Monster Cable makes so much ****ing profit off these things they were able to buy the name on ****ing Candlestick Park.
    These ****ers make CABLES. Hell, they don't really even make them, they package them.
     
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    Oh, trust me man, I think MonsterCable is a suck company. Definately taking advantage of stupid people. Which isn't bad in an of itself, it's the company koolaid they seem to drown themselves in. If there was some leak abuot the company president saying "Suckers, these cables don't do that much" I'd probably respect them more.
     
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    So you're saying get the Phoenix Gold cables and not the Monster cables.


    hehe j/k
     
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    LOL. No way. If it were me, and I wanted good speaker cable for not much money, I'd find a place that sells decently gauged copper wire and solder ends on it. Same goes for ethernet cables, and pretty much any other cable that has a crimp type connector. You can make cables all day for pretty cheap with the right tools, and when and if you need new cables or longer cables, make your own!
     
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    You know how annoying it is to walk into a store and you *need* a cable and all they claim to have are monster cables. Best buy, I'm looking at you.
    I drive somwhere else, or better, internet.
    **** Monster Cable and thier resellers, simply for just making life harder.
     
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    monoprice.com - their hdmi cables cost as much as the TAX on the cheapest hdmi cable at bestbuy.
     
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    OH yeah! I forgot about that completely. I needed a DVI to HDMI adapter for work one day, stopped by BestBuy to pick one up since it was close to where I was, and only had about 30 minutes to grab one. They only had the Monster brand one. And it was 36 dollars. 36 dollars for a 1" long piece of plastic and wires that converts DVI connectors to HDMI connectors. Got home later, Monoprice had them for 4 bucks. I was livid.
     
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    I picked up my hdmi cable for <$5 on the interweb. I also picked up two optical cables on the cheap from......wait for it........Menards.
     
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    Oh, trust me, if I could have, I'd have bought it on Monoprice, but I needed it that day.
     
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    I wasn't picking on you, sometimes you pay for the convenience not the product.
     
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    The worst part is that both use the same protocol, so it's literally just a different shape on either end.


    I got my 15' HDMI->DVI for, what, six bucks from monoprice? :)
     
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    you know, I accept paying $10 on a $5 part if i need it now.
    But $25+ more? If I did that duringa hurricane, I'd be in trouble for profiteering
    There's a complex down on Minnehaha and 46th that i breifly looked at. Good pricing, 800-900 for 1 br. The neighborhood's not bad either, i had a friend living a block away and he liked the area.