STi vs A4 vs Mercedes C230 Kompressor vs porsche

jprice · Jun 3, 2004

Vic and I met up with a Mercedes to really see what the supercharged C class (non AMG) could do against my A4.

A4 > C230 Kompressor

STi > C230 Kompressor (Vic was just wasting his gas, there was not comparison)

STi > Porsche

A4 > Porsche

Vic was too scared to race me, so we don't have an A4 - STi comparison. :-p ;-) :-D

I don't know what model the Porsche was, it was an older touring model. Didn't know the guy, he just saw us and joined in. heheh.

Fun times, fun times.. thanks Vic!

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

Jordie, that Porche is a late 60 to mid 70 911 model, vintage I tell ya.

It was fun though, I knew ahead of time what the out come is whether from a roll or stop. I notice how he drove his car (MB), even a stock Honda Civic... or Fuji in his Wagon will kill'em. He just doesn't have the experience yet. Either way... a 189hp weighing 4k+ pound isn't going to be doing much... even my old 93 Mazda Protege would have gave him the run for his money.

It would have been fun if Dan showed up in his chipped S4. Well, we all had fun. Hope you made it home without a ticket?

Now about your A4... yeah, you would have slaughter me all over the road Hahaha

All out fun, Tell Jonathan it's all good, I had fun, just to bad he had to leave early...

android · Jun 3, 2004

My old roommate who just bought the STI used to be a big Audi guy. He owned three of them and had one of them chipped. I'm not sure what kind of mods you have in yours, but my '02 WRX with no power mods smoked his A4 with no problem. The A4 is much heavier than the WRX and comes with less HP. I would imagine the STI would be even worse. The S4 is another story, as that car is in a class of it's own. Were these drag runs or on the twisties? That 911 should have had a much better showing also. This might be a case of driver abilties.

jprice · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by android

is much heavier than the WRX and comes with less HP.
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I'd be interested in comparing our rides. I have an '01 A4 1.8T manual w/chip and nothing else. Your WRX manual or auto?

Thanks!
-Jordan

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by android

The S4 is another story, as that car is in a class of it's own. Were these drag runs or on the twisties? That 911 should have had a much better showing also. This might be a case of driver abilties.
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The S4's not that fast stock... my brothers 02WRX is able to run with it from the low to mid speed... once up in the 100, that's where you'll see the S4 slowly pull away. Reminder, do not street race, it's not safe

The vintage 911: as you stated, it's the driver. When I left the line, he looks like he was standing still. Again, he's not going to do much when that car comes stock with what... 170hp+ or something like that? Even Jordan's able to pull away from him. It's all straight road... Now on the twisties, with just us dorks driving... we'll still slaughter the driver in the MB and Porsche.

To be honest, I don't feel proud of what happen... there's nothing to brag about. I know there's a lot of faster cars and faster drivers out there.

You win some and Dim Sum you loose

android · Jun 3, 2004

Ya, I wasn't trying to spoil any fun at all. I was just comparing my own experiences.

My WRX only has a reflash from Cobb and a K&N so far. The suspension is a different story. I have a couple thousand into it. By the numbers, I should have about 260 HP and I guess about 225 at the wheels. I don't really know how much it has in the real world, but I would like to have it baselined to get an idea of where I'm going from here. Some days it feels really fast, other days not so much. I would say that I'm a pretty conservative driver and my buddy even moreso.

I've driven his STI and obviously the power difference is noticable. I think I will be going with a VF34 or an 18g considering that is what most people are doing and they seem to be tried and tested. There is already a map for the VF34, but someone would have to tune for the 18g and that someone would probably have to be Cobb in Utah. With the new turbo and the Cobb turbo back, I will be looking at more like 300+ HP.
My friend is selling his chip for the Audi. I think it is also for an '01.

Here are the actual stats for the cars-

YEAR CAR Curb Weight HP

2002 WRX 3085 227
2004 STI 3263? 300
2001 A4 3241? 170
1979 911SC 2558! 180
2000 S4 3594 250
2003 EVO 3263 271

I'm not certain this is totally accurate, but there you go. The power to weight ratio of that Porshe is really what it has going for it. I didn't list torque figures either. That makes a huge difference. I guess I got the weights wrong too, it looks like the A4/WRX/STI are pretty even and the S4 is the hog.

Gspot · Jun 3, 2004

What all do you have done to the suspension? That's probably the modding route I'm going.

jprice · Jun 3, 2004

Android: Thanks for pointing out that my car is the slowest of the group. ;-) At least with the chip it's not quite that bad. :-p

-Jordan

android · Jun 3, 2004

So far, I have-
Eibach Pro-kit Springs
Eibach camber correction bolts
Hotchkis swaybars and mounts
STI strut tops front & rear
Kartboy endlinks
Freedom Designs front strut brace
STI rear strut brace

I also have 17" Rota Tarmacs w/ Khumo Ecsta 712s and I guess you could consider them handling mods.

For the drivetrain I have STI group N mounts for the engine and tranny and Kartboy short shifter, knob and bushings.

It was tough not to buy some coilovers, but I didn't want to throw all my money at one thing. I think my car is pretty solid in the turns and keeps a neutral attitude with hardly any body roll. I'm not sure that I would want any more oversteer. I figure with more HP, I could probably coax it to drift when taking a corner. I could always put the stock swaybar back on the front and I'm sure the ass end would swing out.

Musashi · Jun 3, 2004

where was the EVO on this? }

android · Jun 3, 2004

2003 EVO 271 HP 3263 lbs.

Musashi · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jprice

Android: Thanks for pointing out that my car is the slowest of the group. ;-) At least with the chip it's not quite that bad. :-p

-Jordan
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U lie, well, its half true, its the driver of that Audi, he's the reason for why the car is such a sloath.

rmrf · Jun 3, 2004

Android:

regarding your comment about having to have COBB flash your ECU if you got a not mapped turbo is not all true. The AccessTUNER will be out soon, and with that, you can have a shop tune your car just like any of the other tunable options out there. Does anyone know if anyone in the area will be getting a tuner so that anyone with an accessport, or cobb reflash will be able to tune more agressively, or for certain parts? I haven't stepped into any modding yet, and I am really not sure now of what type of engine management I would like to get.

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

where was the EVO on this? }
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Chong, my brothers EVO isn't all what the magazine made it to be. I'm living testament LOL.

Musashi · Jun 3, 2004

Vic,

R U sure about that

You may wanna check this out:

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http://www.vishnutuning.com/prelude2.htm

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EVO Stg 1+ with upgraded manifold + test pipe
361whp, 326lb-ft

Henry C
EVO Stg 1+ (Xflash, no XEDE)
333whp, 313lb-ft

} The Federation has a place for U } And NO your not my father

android · Jun 3, 2004

I'm really hoping someone will pick up the AccessTuner. It sounds like it will be extremely expensive though and I imagine the only people willing to invest in it will be shops. I guess we can all pitch in. Anyhow, the good news about it is that they are working on reflashes and maps for several other cars, not just Subes. I think they have an EVO, an RX-8, the 350z, the Infinity G35 and of course the STI. You can check out the link here-->http://www.accessecu.com/products/pro-tuner.html

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

Chong, I'm talking Stock per Stock... I'm sure a modded car is a different story. Then again, it's the driver if I must come down to it hehehe...

Musashi · Jun 3, 2004

I know just giv'n ya a hard time

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

I know just giv'n ya a hard time
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Come on Chong... let's go to BIR for the Audi National. You can teach me a thing or two up there.

Musashi · Jun 3, 2004

as much as I'd like to, money is kinda tight right now, especially that we have moved into our new house and my better half has the summer off, even if I could, I'd have to pick which car to take and spend the extra money on. The DC2 needs some work, and so does the GDA in order to keep it safe out on the track.

Get OB1 2 go w/ya, tell him its not a request!

Wait isn't Sloath Jordan going to these events; now theres something to write about )

jprice · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

U lie, well, its half true, its the driver of that Audi, he's the reason for why the car is such a sloath.
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:-o .. ok.. that's it. Opus challenge.. IT'S ON!! :-D

Either that or a foot race?

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

Jordan, I'll be in your neck of the wood tomorrow to pick up the set of tires from Rolf. Still want to visit "O"? I heard the weather will be super nice.

I'm sure University Ave will be pack. I'm going to pick up the tires and head back to meet up with the rest of the guys.

Musashi · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jprice

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

U lie, well, its half true, its the driver of that Audi, he's the reason for why the car is such a sloath.
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:-o .. ok.. that's it. Opus challenge.. IT'S ON!! :-D

Either that or a foot race?
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O no, what am I going to do?

High noon on Sunday at the Toughe.} U bring the A$$ and I'll bring the Kick'n!

yosmiley · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi
High noon on Sunday at the Toughe.} U bring the A$$ and I'll bring the Kick'n!
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LOL, Jordan... you're gonna have to top that. Chong's really turning up the heat on ya

kickin_81 · Jun 3, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi
U bring the A$$ and I'll bring the Kick'n!
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He means me.

Speaking of kickin' some ass. I took out a Golf Gti this past Tuesday on freeway 36 east of 35E. He passed me up going at least 20 mph by me. Being whooped, my GF told me to floor it. *shrimpy vioce* "o...k..." My rpms kept pulling me and the gti got pulled in quickly. It was modified of course with at least an exhaust. When we got to the light, he came from behind and slowly switched lanes to turn into Frost ave. I was going to give him a thumbs up, but he never looked over. My GF was }. Too bad he didn't show any respect. I would guess he runs the 1/4 in the mid to high 14's. :?:

jprice · Jun 4, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

High noon on Sunday at the Toughe.} U bring the A$$ and I'll bring the Kick'n!
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lol.. I'm out of town this weekend starting in 1.5 hours. we'll have to re-schedule your ass-whoopin for another time :-p. Should I bring my bicycle to make it easier on you?

yosmiley · Jun 4, 2004

Tricycle!

android · Jun 4, 2004

I'm bringin' this!!!

Ya, that's me.

DISCOPOPE · Jun 7, 2004

the real audi to try to race is the rs6...

a humbling experience for any sti owner......

bikerboy · Jun 7, 2004

Did somebody say OPUS?}

yosmiley · Jun 7, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DISCOPOPE

the real audi to try to race is the rs6...

a humbling experience for any sti owner......

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That is one mean Audi... Bi-Turbo V8 pumping 450hp. It has a tad quicker 0-60 and much higher end speed compare to the STi, no contest for sure.

jprice · Jun 7, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DISCOPOPE

the real audi to try to race is the rs6...
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Or a stage 3 A4 1.8T, or a chipped S4.. both of those should be close to a stock STi. The RS6 is big and heavy, and automatic only. I think an STi taking one would humble the RS6, but don't be humbled when a car that cost almost 3 times as much as an STi is a little quicker. ;-)

Musashi · Jun 7, 2004

"Or a stage 3 A4 1.8T"

Jordan, it doesn't matter what they got on, cuz the cars don't drive themselves, but we could drive yours remotely if it would help

jprice · Jun 7, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

Jordan, it doesn't matter what they got on, cuz the cars don't drive themselves.
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LOL!! Ok, sign up for the Brainerd nationals event. Vic and Nick (both STis) are already signed up. I'll make sure we get out on the track together :-D

-Jordan

Musashi · Jun 7, 2004

Piece of cake, I'll bring the unicycle and a bag of chips, your not exactly a Vette so I'll leave the Corvette Killa} at home.

Why dont we settle this alot sooner, or do u need more time to polish up? Come out on June 24 to DCTC.

I hope you haven't lost your Mojoe

jprice · Jun 7, 2004

Mushashi.. I will need to take lessons from you on talking trash, oh great masta. Maybe you learned from Vic? :-D

Don't know if I can make June 24, but I can make Opus cause it's free. :-D

yosmiley · Jun 8, 2004

Jordie, Chong and I... we're just loced out!

So when do I get to see you perform on the "O" ring? Let's say with a little rain and running at 6/10... that should be fun

Musashi · Jun 8, 2004

See who drive at the "O"? Dont count me in, cuz I won't do it. [xx(]

"Keep it on the track and off the streets!"

JP: I almost forgot, your description of the RS6 reminds me of this:
"The RS6 is big and heavy, and automatic only."
, I'm just bang'n to get banned

jprice · Jun 8, 2004

Dude, it's no good when it's sped up like that, you can't see the vibrations on each fat roll!

Yes, she is the mascot for the RS6!

Musashi · Jun 8, 2004

Yeah your right he is movin a bit too fast, but isn't that how the RS6 is like? jk

I notice your not putting the nice friendly smilely face on your replies anymore, I think its about time to cool it. After all you are the Moderator here

We're hav'n to much fun here JP. Hope to see ya at a the track sometime, at your convience

jprice · Jun 8, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mushashi

I notice your not putting the nice friendly smilely face on your replies anymore, I think its about time to cool it.
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LOL!! Sorry.. I just was getting lazy :I):roll::mrgreen:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Hope to see ya at a the track sometime, at your convience <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
You signed up for Brainerd yet? :-D

Musashi · Jun 9, 2004

I wont sign up for CBIR, unless I can be your instructor, jk

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