Hey all, i am looking into doing a swap from my 2.2l to something bigger (or maybe smaller with a T on the end) do any of you know if there is a diffrence in mounting between a 2.5/2.0 (or even the h6)and my 2.2? i am interested in knowign if the engines will just "plop" into place or if i need new mounts? one of the more important things is where to get the engine,ecu,harness,5spd manuel, and maybe some mounts? for cheap. all advice/ideas are welcome. thanks
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dynapar for cheap. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Are you talking relatively cheap, or just plain ol' downright cheap? Because what you are proposing I would expect to require $5,000 absolute minimum in parts alone, and almost certainly quite a bit more than that.
Any EJ series motor will fit perfectly into your current engine-bay. Imprezas, Legacys, and Foresters all have the same engine bay. In order to accomodate the motor's up-pipe/downpipe (assuming you'll be putting in a EJ20T), you'll need to find a WRX's front clip in a junk yard or something. (I think it's the frame peice that holds the left wheel to the right; it has a curve where the up/down pipe sits). That's the easy part. Now all you need to do next is re-wire the harness from the new engine to it's ECU. Good luck. I recommend you find a detail-oriented mechanic that aced his electronics course in training to do your re-wiring.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kickin_81 I recommend you find a detail-oriented mechanic that aced his electronics course in training to do your re-wiring. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Schneider may be good for this!
have you considered a hybrid? you can get EJ257(sti) shortblock for like 1500, lets say wrx heads for 500, and thats way cheaper than a full sti longblock(if thats the ej25 you were talking about) if you can get a full wrx driveline engine tranny, etc, i would do that. i'll keep an eye out for you. good luck Ben
I remember a few 1.8L and 2.2L Impreza owners swapping their motor for the 2.5L N/A motor back then. I don't know what happened to them. They were on www.rs25.com and www.nasioc.com in the N/A forums. The N/A EJ25 motors can be had for around $500. A lot of RS owners has had swaps done, and they need to sell off their original motor to make room in their garage. Some are even desperate for cash, so they may sell the whole engine for even less than that. If I were to do a swap, I'd get the ECU as well as the whole motor. I know nothing of the wiring involved from a 2.2L to a 2.5L motor swap though.
Plenty of potential in a 2.2 so why not just turbo that up ? I even have some of the parts in my garage right now I'd part with for hardly anything. If cost is an issue you might just look at what you can do with your EJ22. The EJ22t came in first gen Legacys so that might be somehwere to start off for some budget performance.
I have already looked into doing a turbo job on my 2.2l, it would cost me about 3k plus install. right now i have just over 100000 miles on my car with an auto tranny (tranny has seen better days) right now i would prefer to get a better base for a turbo. if i could find a 2.5 N/A with a 5spd ecu and harness it would be great. because i think i could find one of those for alot cheaper then a turbo kit and it might actually be easier to install (i have had some bad experiences) i would prefer a little less kick from the 2.5 N/A over a 2.2 T because that way i dont have to worry about losing rods and pistons going down the highway. if anyone sees a 2.5l for under a grand please inform me thanks martin
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603144 you might wanna take a look at that as it is a complete 04 wrx engine minus a few goodies that you might wanna personalize anyways right from the start. Even has the ECU with it. Just a possibility that I found on NASIOC
alittle too pricey for me, it probably would have been ok but hes selling the turbo, ecu, and injectors seperately. i still want a N/A 2.5
The parts aren't the expensive part, the labor is. Engine swaps are pretty intensive even when the motors are pretty much the same. The other thing I'd suggest is just get a completely aftermarket ECU so you don't have to worry about something not working right after the swap. Personally I'd do the turbo Legacy 2.2 build. I almost did that with my old Impreza. Still looking at $3k for any kind of motor swap, even a simple one. If you try to get by on the cheap you may very likely run into issues later on.
Well i was plannign on doing the labor myself. so that would cut a big chunk out of the total price. i will look into a aftermarket ecu, do you know where a good place to get one would be?
Martin, Here's an EJ25 engine the owner has been trying to sell for 3 months. http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15283
I have no idea if the ECU from a manual tranny is different in any way to an automatic. The engine from an auto should be the same to a manual. Todd should know.
I think it's going to fit, it just would take a while and a skilled hand for the ECU. Pref. someone w/experience.
The automatic trans computer needs some "shared" information from the engine computer. What is it you are trying to accomplish? Are you keeping the automatic or going manual? It might be best if you found a whole parts car to take all the bits off of.
Gettign a parts car would be a good idea, i will have to start looking for a crashed car (rear end dmg only LOL) i would prefer to go twith the manual tranny, but from the looks of it i may have to keep my auto tranny until i can buy a manual.
lookin for parts...let's see....i found a older gc4 at Upull....but it's a auto....looks good except left front fender...
when is that upull our parts place have there deal, maybe i could get it for 18 bucks? and then the tranny for another 18. i think my best bet is to call up some junkyards for cars w/ no titles and things like that.
