I find it a bit disturbing after all this time when people tell ya intakes are bad. All of them. Maybe they have testing errors?
or maybe its not worth the money really when you could get a downpipe, uppipe, high flow cross over, ect... instead
I was just talking about the fact people say it doesn't work and your car will blow up. Money wise I know it's not, takes less time though.
eh, people never directly said you wont see gains either, its just worthless to do it first, look at the comparison and the mods done too.
So....Stage 2 =D w/Intake =D I kid. I'm just going to get one soon because well snorkel delete kinda looks ghetto. Even my autos teacher was like wtf? Hahaha. Stage 2 of course
well the stock air box on a 02-05 wrx (probably other too) is able to provide enough air to satisfy 300hp goals. so IMO its better off to go stage 2 before even worrying about the intake. I am glad someone actually did a side by side comparison. take all the opinions out of the issue.
Who said it would blow your car up?! I find nothing wrong with a GP Moto elbow and a drop in. Maybe a turbo inlet and such.
I forgot which intake it was, but one of the common intakes really mesed with the AFRs making the car run lean all through the rpm range. lean + boost = boom.
there are a bunch of routes you can go with it, but untill you start building it up i just dont see a gain enough to do it
Butz I licks whoosh-wooooshhh!!!1!! My SPT...4thaw1n. And just a FYI, mine is currently running around 7-8 degrees over the stock air box. Compared to the 40-50 degrees that it was before.:biggrin:
Stopped reading right after that...The major intake problems occured with the 2.0L WRX. The new 2.5L block and ECU seem to do ok with the intakes. And my guess is that the newer ECUs can better compensate or adjust for intakes than the earlier 2.0L WRX models could. The problem is, unless you are running something that is gonna make around 250-300+whp, then you are wasting your money. THe gains are minimal if anything, and may actually be lower depending on how the ECU decides to do things. IMO, the intake is a supplimentary mod, not a power mod. You get the intake to upgrade to something that flows better because your mods outflow the current one. Everyone hops on the "Intake and Catback" wagon right away because they are easy mods, and the N/A community usually starts with those. But that train of thought just doesn't work the same in the turbo Subaru world. You gain alot more from uppipe and turboback + tuning than you will ever see from your 'investment' in an intake. And when you reach that point, you are better off spending your money on handling mods than an intake. Once you have the car handling the way you want, that is when you decide whether to tweak the power setup. This is a proven path to success for any turbo subaru. Free up the exhaust, tune for it, get your suspension stable, then decide if your driving ability with the suspension mods can benefit from more power. You can get an intake, but there are better ways to spend your money that will benefit your driving experience more than the intake will.
truth spoken by Jason, on my 2.2 it helped out...but on the turbo cars its not overwhelming till you do other mods
Some strange people go with the idea that suspension tuning trumps power tuning but other than that I agree wholeheartedly with ^that^ (Jason) guy.
really? it could be how i am running it in the cold weather, but i would honestly say mine pulls harder over the whole band. however, NA ftl in that respect too, its impossible to know unless i dyno it, could easily be a placebo effect mixed with the cold
it think it has to due with the auto. but it bogs below 2500 rpms, even in 1st gear. after 4k though it works out better. i dont care any more, i have boost.
haha, or it could be the simple fact i think i have a lemon. its just finally running how it probably should've before
Yeah, I posted in the NASIOC thread about this. A couple of notes: 1) The Injen intake requires a tune (and a pretty hefty one at that). It makes some fairly decent power gains, but count in the cost of a tune (we'll be nice and say it'll only cost $200), and you're at $500 for maybe 15 whp. No thanks. 2) The K/N intake made 10 whp, even with a tune. However, it pulled higher intake temps after each run. I've seen these "short ram" style intakes firsthand, and I would consider all power gains a wash. Hot air = no good. 3) All the intakes made gains by increasing boost and leaning out the car. Assuming you are already running a "custom tune" that is running on the edge of performance (IE; all the boost you want to run out of the turbo, and good lean AFR's, maximised timing), I doubt you would gain as much power as Harman did in the test. He says it himself, he is running a moderate tune, so obviously he has headroom to increase boost, timing, and lean out fuel. Cliff notes: If you absolutely want an intake, slapping on an AEM CAI is the way to go. You'll get "better" sound, and may gain a little power.
This is why I always laugh at the "after" graphs of the new part "with tuning." Guess what? Even if you didn't slap on that new part and upped the ante for boost/timing/fuel, you would still make more power. If I wasn't such a nice guy (and not so lazy/busy), I'd be a baller right now from ripping off the poor fools out there with this magical "tuning."
