I have been using Nf Performance but have recently been looking around at different shops. Today i drove by MAP and spoke with a mechanic there. Lots of lifts, a dyno and machine shop for engine builds. Tons of imports in the back with crazy hp numbers!! I have spoken with Ron at RS Motors but have put this option on the back burner. Any body use MAP before? Matt
I've bought parts from them.. Can't really go wrong getting parts for less than you see online.. But Why not just stay with NF?
I've used Jordan from MAP and Nuke from NF to tune my car. They both are good at what they do. I have not had any bad experience with either of the two. But I have learned that you should stick with the team that does every thing Subaru. The team that eats and sleep Subaru will not steer you wrong.
What are you trying to have done to your car? Engine build? Parts? Tune? Dyno? General maintenance? The only people I would recommend for any of that is NF or RS.
I've been thinking about going to the next step with my STI. Headers, fmic, injectors/pump and 20gxt. I want to make sure my engine can handle these new parts. So maybe upgrade the internals or a new engine. Just looking around at different options. Money is not a concern.
Do what I do, DIY the installs, have nuke (NF) tune. Or have them do the Installs aswell. I haven't seen any bad reviews for NF performance yet, and have had only positive experiences with them.
Hahaha I can do an oil change. I'm very good at machining but not with cars I'll stick with what I know. Better to support small businesses too (I own one my self).
Well, since money is not a concern, I don't need to tell you to budget for a new shortblock...because you will more than likely crack a ringland, esp with a 20g. Are you stage 2 yet? I'd say try stage 2 and E85 and see how you like the power. Then if you get bored, slap on the 20g. Then check your compression at least a couple times a year. When you find low compression on one of the cylinders, pull the motor before it gets detrimental, rebuild the motor with forged pistons at a minimum, and then be on your way for another 50k or so. If money really isn't an issue, just build a new shortblock and have it waiting for when your stock motor pops. If this is all starting to sound expensive, just sell the sti and buy something that either makes more power from the factory or can reliably handle more power. That's my $.02...and this is coming for a guy who experienced a cracked ringland. I still love it though
Oh and to your original question, I've had a lot of good experiences with NF personally and I've heard good things about RS as well. I've only bought a few parts from MAP and had them weld in a wideband bung in my downpipe...which was in the wrong spot (not totally their fault). You might end up being OK with MAP, but there are far more good references on this forum for NF and RS....
^why does it have to be closed? Nothing but good things have been said about NF. Here is a reply from MAP: "Thank you for the email. You can swing on in and we can discuss we currently we aren't taking any new tuning appointments or service work. We can definitely get you the parts you will need at a good price but we won't be able to install as we are changing the path our backshop will be working." I asked about MAP because i grew up in that area and have friends that live close by and would make it convenient while my car got worked on. TMF- Thanks for the recommendations!!! Matt
I think Vinnie is just trying to say that NF is the end all/be all...which is probably true! What's up with MAP not accepting tuning appointments and or installs? Must be remodeling or something, or maybe just Subie hatin'! I had my hybrid built '03 WRX tuned at MAP by Jordan. This was probably about 4-5 years ago now when they were in their old shop. Put down 280whp/320wtq...not too shabby for what it was. Anyway, his parents were in town that day and he brought them with to the shop to show them kind of what he does I guess, which is cool and all, but seemed rather unprofessional to me. I was also given the impression that I was being rushed out, like he had better things to do, granted this was on a Saturday and nobody else in the shop was working that day and his parents were there. It is what it is, but I thought it was kind of strange. When I got my STi and it was time to upgrade, I want strait to NF based on the high praise on this site and I was not disappointed. Nuke and the NF folks were extremely helpful with setup questions and Nuke was extremely flexible with his schedule (I even changed the time on him the day before the tune...no problem!). Definitely will be going back to NF for any tuning/maintenance/build needs in the future even though they are 2 hrs away from me. First impressions tend to last the longest.
Money is not a concern?! Get a Ferrari! lol Is this your DD? If you have a backup car I say throw the 20G on there and see what happens. Build engine when it pops. My stock wrx block with 80K miles on it is surprisingly still kicking with the 20G and E85...(knock on wood).
There are certain things that other shops can not do that others can't. NF does not have a alignment machine. MAP does. NF does not have a DYNO. MAP does. NF does not have a cool shop with a ton of hoist. MAP does. NF does not have a marketing team that employs 10 people to sit around. MAP does. NF does not have a chick working the front desk. MAP does. What does NF have: -the best Subaru gurus in the midwest -the best staff that you can basically call family -A freaken dirty ass bat cave used as a shop. (I think at one point they had a PS3) -who needs a DYNO when you have the streets for tuning -one of the best tuners in the midwest -staff who would stand behind you regardless if you were a noob or a pro -Most importantly they are not afraid to tell you the Fu(k off. (basically telling you the truth hurts sometimes, when your in denial.)
NF does not have a alignment machine. MAP does. True NF does not have a DYNO. MAP does. So does DB/FB/RS NF does not have a cool shop with a ton of hoist. MAP does. So does DB/FB/RS NF does not have a marketing team that employs 10 people to sit around. MAP does. True NF does not have a chick working the front desk. MAP does. FALSE, We have Fuji! What does NF have: -the best Subaru gurus in the midwest Questionable -the best staff that you can basically call family Questionable -A freaken dirty ass bat cave used as a shop. (I think at one point they had a PS3) MAN CAVE -who needs a DYNO when you have the streets for tuning Hm... -one of the best tuners in the midwest Questionable -staff who would stand behind you regardless if you were a noob or a pro Questionable -Most importantly they are not afraid to tell you the Fu(k off. (basically telling you the truth hurts sometimes, when your in denial.) TRUTH!
Another thing you are forgetting are the prices. Yes, these other shops have incredible facilities, heck, In fact Ive used all the shops. Those things come at a price though. That is usually the discount extended on parts. Id go out on a limb and say the NF can probably beat any price for a part, why, because they dont have a tremendously high overhead and the customers get the benefit of that. Yes, dynos and fancy buildings are nice but we are paying for them in the form of prices paid for parts. NF doesnt have that and that is why the prices they can offer are incredible. But like I said, MAP, RS, etc... are incredible shops and do a fantastic job. We are very fortunate in that we as customers do have options! Ive lived in cities where the only option was the stealership.
My .02. I had Jordon at MAP tune my WRX almost as soon as I got it home. No modifications, just a tune to fix the extremely lean condition from factory. He was able to take his time and did a great job. Next time in with a few added parts, (drop in filter, muffler delete) he seemed to be rushed and not able to spend as much time. I had to take it back to fix an over boost issue I was having. I had been using them for parts, until I tried to place and order that was coming from different vendors. They were going to make me pay for shipping on each separate part, without an option to pick them up. I was able to find everything cheaper elsewhere with free shipping. I haven't bothered with them since. DB Performance has tuned my car the last couple of times, and has done an excellent job. (I live 10 minutes from their shop) NF will be my next stop without hesitation when I need more work performed.
This is from an email I got yesterday. From MAP- Later down the line we will open up our service department again but we need to reset and reorganize before we move forward. Our Retail side has always been our main focus here at MAPerformance and we are about to make some big moves so we just don't have time for service or tuning work right now.
MAP is great if you need advice on picking up a prostitute or having your pictures stolen and used without credit.
I have bought item from MAP a couple times, no issue with that side. Never had a car tuned there, have heard more dislike than like on tunes from MAP from the people from my area. Is Jordan even tuning full time? Their shop, is huge, has lots of new fancy equipment, ect. Maybe things have improved over the years on their service/motor work as well. Since someone mentioned alignments, if I needed an alignment in the cities, I would go to the AlignmentGuy. Heck, I may be bringing him the BRZ anyways. My preference if I am going to bring my car somewhere would be RS.
Jordan doesn't work directly for MAP now. He is more like a private contractor. He pays a fee to use their dyno per car. Thats what I've been told. then if the shop needs tuning, they hire him per job on the shops rate. So its cheaper to go directly through Jordan.
I have only used Jeff since 2010/11. But I will use someone else if Jeff is a month out. Especially during race season. Every once in awhile, he will get me in after closing hours. BSing with the guy is a little weird and very off topic.
Yea talking with him is half the reason I go there always a good chat once you figure out his personality
Sure do I've used NF for all my needs since getting my STI, so I will continue with what I have been doing and support the little guys to make them a big guy one day. Map would have been more convenient but they said they are re doing there whole thing, so no installs or tunes for awhile. I'm getting injectors and pump put in next Wednesday for e85. Very excited! Have a great 4th!!
I've never heard of that shop. Were are beyond busy right now. It's cool to see other machine shop guys on here!
He works here but I rarely go to the engineering building. He's the manager of Controls (automation). You friends with him? I have a coworker I went to college with and an engineer I went high school with. Tons of noobs too lol
As and FYI, from what I saw on a recent Facebook Post, MAP is no longer doing service or tuning. I am unsure if that means that Jordan is no longer using their dyno on a "rental basis" as discussed above.
