Tuning Options

Discussion in 'Modifications And Maintenance' started by Andrew, Jul 8, 2007.

  1. Andrew
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    So I'm realizing that I'd rather learn to tune myself than pay for a protune everytime I get a new turbo or other heavy mods. I currently have a v.1 AP and custom map from DB that isn't maximizing the car's potential. So do I pay one of you Subie Gurus to street tune or learn the scary art of tuning myself, or both? It seems like Enginuity is a good platform, then I could sell my AP and be on my way to ECU freedom.

    Those of you have Street Tuner for AP, what advantages does it have over Enginuity? Is Street Tuner easier to use? Worth $195?

    I've compiled a few resources suggested by all you experts for getting started tuning. I assume that the different guides all use the same concepts. Did I miss anything?

    StreetTuner
    http://www.accessecu.com/support/st-wrx-usersguide.pdf

    Scoobypedia resources
    http://www.scoobypedia.co.uk/index.php/Knowledge/ECU

    Mick's Tuning Guide
    http://www.pdxtuning.com/utec_tune_guide/UTEC_Quick_Guide_12_02_2004-notes.pdf

    Turbo XS User Manual
    http://www.turboxs.com/downloads/TunaUserManual_1v1.pdf
     
  2. webcrawlr
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    webcrawlr Well-Known Member

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    IF you start tuning yourself you're going to want a wideband and maybe even an EGT.
     
  3. Bullwinkle
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    1) Honestly, I see no advantage to the ST software. It's Enginuity in a pretty box, and a hell of a lot more expensive. However, I haven't used it.

    2) As I stated last week, anyone can learn to tune. It may be scary at first, and yes; there is a hell of a lot of information to process when you're learning. I've been reading/tuning my own car for over 6 months fairly heavily, and I still think there is more to learn. Tuning a car is a balancing act, some call it an art. There are many, many things to keep track of, and your goal is to balance all those into a safe, fun to drive, and of course, powerful tune.

    3) Those resouces you've highlighted are good ones. However, I don't think there is anything that replaces the enginuity and OSecu forums. The guys over at the enginuity forum often have very informative posts, and are some the only people other then FHI/Denso that understand the detailed workings of the Subaru ECU. Also, with Subaru's (as you've probably noticed from this site and NASIOC), there are always many people who have traveled the same road as you, and thus are very qualified and willing to give advice.
     
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    And +1 to gauges.
     
  5. Andrew
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    Hey Bullwinkle, Shane at DB sent me an updated map to try to correct the knock issues, though the car seems to have lost power. Are you up for another data log today? I promise to have my own log ability very soon and will share my log with others.
     
  6. mlgez
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    Does Enginuity do real time tuning now? If not that is the advantage to ST. I do believe that they were saying Enginuity was going to have real time mapping but am not sure if they got that working yet.
     
  7. Bullwinkle
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    Ram tune has been developed and tested by the guys over there, and is scheduled to be released in the next update (along with a couple other goodies). No ETA for that release, however.
     
  8. Nuke
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    isn't the ram tune just for 16bit ecu for now?
     
  9. webcrawlr
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    Yup. No word on 32 bit last I checked. It takes about 4 minutes to flash a new map and connect/disconnect the green connectors though.
     
  10. mlgez
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    Yea that too.
     
  11. wall of tvs
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    Uh, no it doesn't.

    16-bit flashes (after the initial "big" change) take about 10 seconds and 32-bit flashes take about a minute.
     
  12. Nuke
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    pst...i think he's talking about cobbedcorn.
     
  13. webcrawlr
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    Read the entire sentence. I said WITH connect/disconnect of the green connectors. Also, the 32-bit flashes take longer then a 1 minute. It was almost 2 the last time I did it. So yeah, 4 minutes isn't that far off for having to crawl on the floorboard twice and make double sure you are doing everything in the correct order.
     
  14. wall of tvs
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    Heh, I can have the green thingys connected and disconnected in less than 10 seconds. I've had enough practice, hehehe.
     
  15. Hallywood
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    You can always wire up a on/off switch for those green connectors as well ;)