I am going to be posting this question on a few different forums (MNsubaru, mitsustyle.com, and EvoMN), then sharing the responses with all the sites involved. So, post up anything you think makes an STi better than an Evo, and why if you really feel like it. Let the games begin! What the other sites think: mitsustyle.com www.evomn.net
The biggest thing I would say would be the Subaru community, maybe It's because I'm not that involved with the evo crowd, I wont go into it too much... Power gains on the evo seem to be better then the subarus, however they break ALOT easier they are unreliable in my book. First your first extra HP increases from stock the two are pretty similar, but the subys do seem to kind of plateau after 400 HP has compaired to the evos you see alot of the 600+ (granted i lived next to AMS for a year) Yes let me add delivery of said power to the ground for something more then straight line, especially on loose traction surfaces Subaru wins over evo
This isn't for my research, it is for a fun little competition between the Evo and STi, and why each individual thinks their car is better.
symmetrical drive train and it looks better (the 04-07 anyway). It's also harder to find a used evo in good condition. I don't really have anything major against the evo. I would still put it on my list if I were looking for a new car.
seems like subarus have more clearance for winter driving and the symmetrical awd is nice for driving in MN, where we like using all of our wheels for power.
Back before the evo x, the sti's interior was slightly nicer aside from it's craptastic fat people seats. depending on what years you're comparing, the sti could be said to have a better gearbox. suspension design I'd give to the evo, same with engine potential. brakes are basically the same between the two. can't really say the sti is a better car - they're really pretty even stock vs stock.
Nothing. They are both very competent cars at a reasonable price. Huge bang for your buck and the AWD let's me justify the price premium over any other regular commuter car out there. Unfortunately, imho they've both gone in the wrong direction in recent years (bigger, heavier, more electronics, less connected feel, more mainstream styling, etc...). The 2 things I like about the STi over the Evo are that I had an easier time getting a test drive in an STi and the low end torque from the 2.5L makes city commuting a little easier. The second point is a non-issue really, since my commute is boring as hell no matter what I drive to work. I'd have a very hard time choosing one over the other if all things were equal (mileage, condition, mods, price). I used to think the Impreza interior was superior, but after a few years of ownership, that turned out to be a weak argument. They are both equally uninspiring. Matter of fact I ended up choosing the STi over the Evo only because 1) I had a TON of parts from my wrx that crossed over and 2) I couldn't for the life of me get a test drive in an Evo. The later became increasingly disconcerting when a year or so after being denied test drives in Evos, I was in the market again and was able to easily get test drives in Exiges, M5s, 911 turbos, etc... My only hope is that both cars keep moving forward and we as consumers have more to choose from. That said, if I were in the market for a 30kish car to add to my current garage, it would be a 2011 mustang gt
I agree with most people saying that there isn't a big difference, but what I think is that the motor in the EVO sits transversly which I think is a little wierd for an AWD car.
Im also not a fan of how computer driven the Evo is as of late. The whole "tarmac or gravel" business kinda takes the fun out of it for me.
I was in the market for a slightly used car (I remain unconvinced the "New tax" is ever worth it *shrug* maybe someday). I wound up choosing an STi mostly because of availability. The few used Evo's I did find where very distastefully modded, more miles than I was comfortable with and in just plain poor shape (all while maintaining a hefty price tag). I don't fault Mitsubishi for this. The X's where all the buzz but hadn't been released yet and it was thought they would carry a heavy premium (certainly no chance of getting a slightly used one at a decent price in the few years following). I don't think either car looks particularly sexy (only considering the GD and Evo 8/9). After owning STi for several years, the only thing I'm jealous of is the power headroom I perceive a stock Evo to have. The Subaru community is fantastic, I've never felt the same welcoming atmosphere at any of the Mitsu meets/boards I have visited.
Cruise control would be great in my Evo. With all the long trips I do my ankle can get pretty sore at times. The Subaru interior is also nicer, but overall I do prefer my Evo; the seats and interior room especially. My wife's WRX is fun to occasionally drive though.
What a dumb question. Here's my answer to the whole of this thing...who the **** cares? This is such a vague question, and the only thing I can see it digressing into is a bunch of snot nosed fanboy cockriding for their favorite brand name. Why did I want a Subaru over the Evo? I didn't, I wanted 350Z. But after my now ex-wife told me that I couldn't have a 2-seater, I knew I'd be stuck in a 4 door econobox for eternity. Test drove the 03 WRX wagon that the local dealer had sitting on the lot, unattended. Had a good time driving it. Then drove out to the Mitsu dealer, where the sales people on hand pretended that a turbocharged econobox is a sports car and that I wasn't worthy to drive it. So I picked the Subaru overpriced econo-box instead. When I went in a couple months later to finally purchase, they had a brand new batch of 04's rolling in on a truck, I picked the silver one because they didn't have white and I couldn't stand the blue one. That's why I bought a Subaru, because I couldn't have a real sports car, and the Mitsu people didn't even give me a chance to compare their overpriced econobox to the competitor's overpriced econobox.
Price/maintenance. Done. If you could own an Evo for the same price as an STI it might be a better car. But truth is, the Evo will cost you thousands more over time. ($5,000 in just basic maintenance according to "true cost to own").
I choose subaru. I looked at both and was going to get an STI. I have to say the EVO has a way better media center, but this is about the drive and not the little things. Then i realized that a 09' WRX and 10K more in my pocket was a win. When they bumped the WRX power and suspension i was all about it. So maybe the question should be why would you pay 10K for an STI when you can add better or similar parts to a WRX for less. Oh and WRX over evo for the $$$$ alone!
This is the type of answer I expected from MNSubaru. Who cares? I care. That's why I posted the question. I wanted to hear people's opinions on why they thought their car was better than the other and because these cars are always lined up in comparison. We have had quite a few good responses, and a few really stupid ones. Please keep the stupid **** out of this thread. If you don't like the question, then don't answer it, plain and simple. Everybody else, keep em coming!
If you'll notice, he also did answer the question. Just an FYI. As far as me - Mitsubishi doesn't/didn't make a direct competitor to the WRX. I wanted an AWD fun but practical and reliable car. A used Evo would have been 2 of the 3, or a new WRX was all 3. So I went with a Subaru. Also - the Mitsubishi dealer network SUCKS. Hard.
Not that Subaru is much better. Things do seem to have calmed down a bit now that they've accepted the fact that all the flat billed brotato fanbois bring in some serious revenue. I don't want to be "sup dawged" at the dealership, but it's better than being flat out ignored like I was 5, and 8 years ago. I just want to buy something and gtfo. I'm not here for a joy ride, I won't try to pull some warranty scheme, and I won't ask your service manager to to fix some impossible issue confounded by my non-factory parts. But yeah, I was flat out ignored, dismissed, or not taken seriously at all 3 of my mitsu dealership visits.
Yep, he did. This is the second time you've blown up about a response. So the guy didn't answer it the way you wanted him to. Big deal. Not everything is flowers and roses, and you are right - this is MNSubaru. You knew, you said so yourself, that you'd get responses like this, so please don't call out people when you get them. To answer the question, I think that Subarus - all of them - look better than EVOs do. Beyond that, I do not care.
Then why bitch about my answer? And who the **** are you? And why is my opinion of your sophomoric question not allowed? And I gave you my opinion about people that think their car is better than others...they are ****ing stupid, and so is this question. I did answer the question, pay attention. This isn't Facebook, you actually have to read and respond to what people say here. Next time don't skip over 2/3rds of the post someone makes while practically tripping over yourself to post up some useless ignorant tripe about the first 1/3rd of it that set you off. Welcome to reality. People will read your dumb threads and give you their opinion of it. What's that mean? That I can't post in here? That you don't want my opinions? How about instead I just troll this thread for the next half hour, then I close and delete the thread when I get bored of it? Isn't selective opinion filtering fun? Don't post dumb threads if you don't want to hear people's opinions of it.
Also, you could have saved yourself the time and irritation by just searching the three sites you posted here for threads that likely already exist on this subject. Because I can guarantee you that they exist on every single Subaru forum. The whole "debate for my amusement" thing is ****ing retarded.
I like coke because it tastes better than pepsi, has a far superior can design, and the advertisments are just plain superb. I also think that people who drink pepsi like to punch babies in the face, so I don't want to be associated with drinking it. Please don't respond if you don't drink coke because that's not an opinion I want to hear in my opinion thread.
I think we could be mixing up opnions, he stated STi vs Evo however, i don't see how it is fair to compare a WRX with an Evo.
Because with a few thousand in mods, an 04 WRX could be made to perform on par with a stock STi and stock Evo. Plus, the newer (06+) WRX models also had a 2.5L motor. The 6 speed isn't a deal breaker, neither is the minor suspension upgrades and the brembo calipers.
You have to think about what you could do to your car with an extra 10k (+ interest over 4 - 6 years). Since the 09+ WRX pulls the same or better numbers (depending on who is doing the testing ie. what website you check out) for 1/4 mile and 0-60 STOCK.... why would you pay 10k for a few minor mods when you can put on better parts and still pocket a few thousand. + I hate the leather seats in the STI The only downfall to this argument is the Spec-C
This has been the same argument I've had since the STi hit the shores. Especially after they started tossing the 2.5L motors into the WRX. You shave nearly 8-10k off the cost of a brand new one, and you can mod the piss out of it to better than STi specifications for most measuring metrics. Even with the 2.0L, you can achieve similar to stock STi or better HP/TQ numbers with a uppipe/turboback/tune combination for under a grand, then drop in some nice springs/struts for another 1000, rear sway, ss brake lines and some nice pads...those 3 will likely run you about 500, and then toss on a set of 17x7.5 wheels and tires for 1500-1700 bucks, and you can probably play right along side a stock 04-07 STi. And you spent 4k in mods to do it. You can preach STi > WRX all you want, but after the 06 WRX came out, all road going turbo imprezas hit even ground when aftermarket turbochargers go into the equation. And since people are talking about how the Evo responds better to modifications (mainly engine mods and HP #'s) then you can drop WRX and STi into the same category. Because the 2.5L in a WRX will respond pretty much exactly the same to a 20G as an STi 2.5L.
A little less displacement plus a lot more boost > a little more displacement and a lot less boost If I didn't love my car so much and was only interested in fast, I would have an Evo by now
Not starting a huge argument here or anything but I got nearly triple my horsepower for a few hundred dollars all said and done. That was after spending $800 in valves, $500 on a clutch that was a shot, $few hundred in gaskets etc. I'm willing to bet you can't do the same with a 3VO
I'm not really familiar with the Mitsu line, do they really not have a model that is similar to the WRX in the Lancer configuration? One that you can do the same aftermarket power adders to? Totally hooked on Diet Coke with Lime. Can’t stand the Pepsi.
I would say the next step down from the EVO is the rallyart (i think) which is nothing like the WRX / STI relationship. Thank you, much better than I said it
the rallyart can't be compared to the wrx in anything really, it is a terrible car in my opinion, since the insurance is even more than a wrx and much slower. in terms of the evo/sti argument I agree in saying that the newer wrx's should be allowed to be compared to EVO's since the WRX and STi are almost identical. the arguement however is which is better, the EVO or the STi. Truth is, there really isn't much difference. They are almost identical in track tests (Car and Driver, etc.) and similar in speed, so much that shifting will give the upper hand in a drag. overall, although I'm biased because I have a wrx, its exactly what others used as a metaphor; pepsi or coke? both taste the same, its a matter of personal experience and bias
