So my sister has a laptop and when she brings it over to our townhouse we pick up like six wireless (unsecured) networks. I am not questioning the morals of using others networks or if it against the law, and nor am I condoning it. All I want to know is if the owner of the other network can tell, and if so how much can they know? She was watching my son while using it. He comes over and slaps the computer and the "print" window opens and closes. Is it a possiblity that it actually printed somewhere or would the printer have to be set up on her computer first?
I don't think the other person knows you're using their network, at least noone has said anything to my brother in my apartment building. Also, you'd have to download the printer software on your computer to be able to print to it...
My answer is this... Yes) if the person knows how to check the data via the router interface, s/he'll be able to see whose computers been on her/his network. The router will keep a log of activity so the admin will be able to use those data for their own purpose. No) if s/he has an unsecure wireless ID broadcasting to the world... that could mean two things... a) they don't have a clue about securing their network connection and install the router from the get go and uses the router "as is" from the factory. or b) the owner of the wireless network set it up on purpose so they can check on users data and info. It's called... hacker, getting hacked! You get played at your own game!
there are ways to find out who is on the network. but 99.9% of ppl dont know how. i wouldnt worry at all, everyone does it. i wish i could but there isnt any around me, stupid old ppl.
All the info that that the router will have is your MAC address of your network card. If you have open shares setup on your PC, there might be a way they can access them. As far as the printer, you couldn't send a job to the printer without setting up the printer first. As stated above, most people setup these Wireless LANs right out of the box and don't secure them. I use them when I am way from home, just make sure your PC is protected by using a firewall.
You obviously know its illegal. They can tell; if they want to figure it out. It's not like a big red light goes off automaticly on their windows desktop saying their neighbor is leeching their wifi.... they would actually have to LOOK and find you. That being said; people who leave their wifi wide open either dont know or dont care. If they dont know other ppl can connect to it; are thye going to find you? If they dont care then there's no problem really.
Wrong! If a person has an unsecure network where the SSID is being publically broadcast, 99% of the time it means they have no clue what they are doing. However, if you get onto someone else's network, you can know everything about what they are doing. When they log on and off, which sites are being browsed, the IP address, which will tell you where the person lives and other sorts of general computer information. And about the printing. With Windows XP, a networked printer uses LOCAL drivers. So it is very easy to print something to another persons computer. Most of the time, if a printer is pluged in, it will be networked along with thier files. So basically, there is a 1% chance you could get in trouble with someone for using their network. The other 99% won't know jack. ~Dan
granted the majority of people use the stuff right out of the box and dont set wep passwords or any other stuff. and if they dont do that they will have no clue how to check to see if some one is using there network, but if you go and start downloading the internet and steal ALL of the bandwidth they are gonna call the company and then you might get caught.
if a network is not rerquiring a password, the actual router is probobly unsecured as well. walk in, rename the network as something raunchy, then set the password to something random. after about the 4th time of resetting the router they tend to get the idea.
??? a) Depends how the network is setup b) their IP address can tell you where they live? NOT c) All O/S use local print drivers d) didn't know you could print to someones computer who's wrong?
IP address is registered to a home address. This only works for home users. The serivce provider has a list of who's payin' the bill and what IP address they have! Local drivers meaning if you print to a networked printer, it will use whatever drivers the printer is physically connected to. ~Dan
Wrong. If you connect to another person's wireless router, you are assigned an IP address by that router. The router has the gateway IP address that is registered to a physical street address through the ISP. All the computers in my house have IP addresses assigned by me. If I were to connect to my neighbors wireless my IP for that network would be assigned by that router if DHCP is enabled.
^Justin is my slave at work... you'd be surprise how well he listens to command when given Jason, you should give Justin a... I know it's weird at first but you'll get use to having an office maid.
You know, Justin, I need someone to tidy up my office before the in-laws come on Friday. And while you are here, I have to put a 2X10 board up below my rear sliding door for the winter. I have all the tools you would need to do that. Be here around 6pm on Thursday.
Yes this is true. But there is also a little thing called BackTracing! Heheheh! ~Dan EDIT: Woot! Post #100!
OK, sport. Backtrace me. I want my address information. Here is a start for you, my IP address on this computer is 192.168.2.5. That should be all you need to find out where I am right?
being that im a tech supp guy too.. ^ this is funny. I agree with all BUT would not steal someone's internet or atleast would stop soon as it illegal and could cause complications if they (the person you are trying to steal from) is using their internet for illegal stuff. It is a longshot but JUST IN CASE.
^^ PMed you. That 192...# IP address only means you are on a router. When you connect to the internet, you travel through several places. There is a small delay from one place to the next. For example: You are connected to a router, the router is connected to the cable modem, the cable modem is connected to a local comcast server and so on. Everytime you go from one place to the next, you lose time. Sending an echo packet will bounce back and tell you how long it takes to get from one place to the next. And each place has an IP address. And that IP address can tell you where you are because it is registered and someone has to pay comcast for the IP address. Your IP address is the connection point for your computer to the internet. ~Dan
No PM in my inbox. Unless it was for readymix_wrx btw.. not to jump in this fine conversation but I think readymix_wrx is saying that you would not be able to backtrace him if he had a private ip from a wireless router in somebody else's house. I agree with him on that. The only information you would get is the mac address and that will give you nothing. You are right about the nodes. You can jump to all the nodes and find out their location... even of the person you are 'borrowing' bandwidth from. BUT you cannot be traced as all they will have is ur mac addy.
Sorry, that was unclear. The PM was for readymix. When you direct connect to someone, UDP or TCP, packets eventually get sent through the cable modem, which will reveal information. But if that person is at another person's house, you won't figure out where they live, only where they are currently connecting from. ~Dan
