Ziptie Rally Team Successful at Nemadji Trail 1

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  1. carl
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    On board 171 ss2
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    nice video courtesy of the Huebbe's and Jerry Winker
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    Yes, it was snowing in May!
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    photos by Martin Asao, Jerry Winker and Scott Reed
     
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    Oh yea, ZRT would like to thank their newest sponsor... NOS Energy!!

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    Awsome!!!
     
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    Great job guys, and thanks for the NOS! I think I'll be volunteering for marshal duty next time.
     
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    i like the trunk monkeys!
     
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    Yes!

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    Nice work guys. Hang in there.
     
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    Boy do those NOS super models look authentic! LOL

    Great job crew!
     
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    Also, Carl, you need louder exhaust to drown all those rocks off the sheetmetal :p


    The guy in the yellow VW sounded like he was putting the wood to it. And that Hyundai sounds nice.
     
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    the cheddarwagon is always fast. We just barely edged out mr. eixenberger both races. The civic is really really fast too - silas whooped our ass on the second race. The tiburon does sound really nice, I thought it was one of the better sounding cars on film.
     
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    I finally got a chance to sit down at home and watched your incar video. Great job Davey Jone's navigating and you to mr. Carl behind the wheel. I was wondering how much LFB'n you were using in some of those turns?

    Thanks for sharing the awsome quality video.
     
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    I use a lot of lfb and trail braking - pretty much every corner that isn't a 6 or 5+. Feet stay over the gas and brake pedals the entire stage except when I need to shift
     
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    If you won't mind educating me a bit further, I'm very intrigued.

    1. How do you know when it's a good turn to use LFB?

    2. How do know apply it, how do you know when you're using just the right amount?

    3. And do you use LFB to counter steering or reduce it?

    Many thanks Carl!
     
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    These are difficult to answer as I mostly do it all instinctively now - there isn't time to really think about and plan out each corner.

    1. I know pretty much every corner will use some amount of lfb. The exceptions are corners like a 6+, 6, 6-, 5+ that I can hit flat out or maybe a 1 or 2 that's I'll either e-brake or Scandinavian flick. Otherwise I know that I'll be using some amount of lfb or trail braking to attack the corner.

    2. again this is a gut feeling on applying it. Obviously the goal is to move through the corner in the fastest way possible. In an awd subaru that's often a very smooth line with just a bit of sideways action. too sideways is slower. I will either lift or do a bit of straightline braking prior to a corner if I know I have too much speed. Then as I approach I'll pick my line based on the type of corner dave tells me it is. As I enter that corner I will use throttle and brake to adjust my speed and line as I see more and more of the corner.

    3. This is related to #2. Like I said the goal is to get through the corner as fast as possible which either means maintaining speed or accelerating through the corner. I'll either use lfb to dial out any understeer or I'll use it to initiate a slide depending on the corner and where my car is positioned. Typically I follow the "in like a lamb, out like a lion" mantra on corner approach.
     
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    Now I'll answer these as if I were Chong:

    1. Brakes? Floor it. Let the sliding scrub off speed.
    2. Same as #1.
    3. Counter steering is all I'm usually doing because the tail is so far out.


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    Sweet...you know me so well, I couldn't of said it better myself. LOL

    You're making me out to look like I'm some drifter.....but I'm not quite there yet.
     
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    I watched you at that winter car clinic I helped out at a year and a half ago.... I can imagine you're only getting worse/better. lol
     
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    I will pitch it very sideways if I've found I have too much speed for the corner - it's a very good way of slowing the car down quickly. This year I can only think of 1 or 2 times that's happened. SS6 of 100AW is one that comes to mind
     
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    Can you give me an example when it's best to use the hand brake vs LFB? The stuff I see in WRC is they typically only use the hand brake in slower tighter/ technical corners? Is that true?

    I'd like to catch another ride with you again.

    Thanks again,

    C
     
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    You know I get nervous when you're watching. LOL


    Did u have too many Chipotle recently?
     
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    1. How do you know when you have too much speed before your coming into the turn?

    2. Does this in anyway scare Dave? LOL
     
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    handbrake I only use for stuff like hairpins or very tight 90's. If there's a spectator corner, I'm using the handbrake. what you see at starting at 2:13 here you can see I used a quick handbrake pull to initiate on that corner
    you just know. but sometimes you don't.
     
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    So what settings do you have your DCCD set at?

    Any advantages of a specific set-up?
     
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    I have an programmable GEMS dccd. proprietary mapping (3 programmable maps, plus 5 settings of set lock). the 3 maps I have loaded right now are hardpack gravel, loose gravel, and wet gravel
     
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    Looking good Guys I like the video, It's got to be alot of fun running a turbo this year. Even with your experience last year it still has to feel kinda new and more sketchy with keeping traction. Good luck you guys will do great!
     
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    Nice!!! I think you had asked me to talk to my buddy a wile back who's the rep for the mid west.... Glad to see they helped you guys out!!!