Berkeley, CA City Council tells US Marine Corps they are "Unwelcome and Uninvited"...

Christians aren't innocent either. Crusades? The Christians did some pretty bad stuff back then.

 

so is my background.. and again same thing as lumping all muslims under the one hat is that exact statement... a true christian's beliefs are way different then the things most people believe or think, unlike the muslims whom if you are a TRUE believer you will hate infidels.. and guess hwat.. if you arent a true muslim that means YOU and you will be beheaded...

 

and as I have said... the 'Christians' as you call them.. havent had a clean record.. never will.. we are all sinful and make mistakes.. fortuanatley the bad choices I make dont usually kill 1000000000's of people

 

Once again I must reiterate my point, I did not say that military action have no benefits, but rather they can easily can make more problems

Rebellions and revolutions can go either way because they can just as easily but a ruthless dictator, theocracy, or communism in place, my proof can be summed up in one word, Africa

And also what is with people just insulting one anther for no apparent reason? That whole vomiting bit was completely unnecessary

 

why I despise them.

 

Well all i have to say is you know of some odd cult, freak people. :laugh:

As far as refugee citizens are concerned, fine, i can understand that. However, if you were a tad more educated again about matters revolving around the group you use for your target info you would also know that they are less than using and being thankful for what they are being given here. there is a rather large problem with that community, abusing the schooling being given to them, lackluster work habits, and they scream racism anytime anything is said and try to play it off as tho they are being beaten down. thanks for playing tho.

Why not, you toss out other random off the cuff comments that have no relevance.

 

or blow yourself up because they dont beleive in your beliefs.
Crusades werent to kill because they didnt conform to Christianity, it was because they were just living in Jerusalem

 

Here i will have to disagree with you. There are a plenty of crazy secular Christians. Most Muslims are peaceful and want exactly what we all want: food, shelter and good life. Look at all those Iraqi people that Brian was talking about that support US troops in their country all they want is piece and calm life.

 

i tend to partially disagree with you, but thats neither here nor there... how about this one, conquests to the new world? CHRISTIANS were the ones who wanted to find short cuts to the east and india to exploit the muslims and asian traders...they found the new lands and of their major marketing ploys was to convert new found peoples to the hand of god?

 

That is still a stupid, stupid, stupid excuse to kill people over some BS doctrine. they are both the same thing, killing people over a book with no evidence

 

Excellent point, "manifest destiny" was pretty much saying god gave us the right to commit genocide on the natives for our country

 

I am a Christian Nathan, but in these instances I like to refer to groups in the third person.

I was sitting in Morris waiting for class last semester and this Somali guy comes up and hocks a lugie on this glass case that was about ten feet to my right. I looked at him and said, "Was that really necessary?" And all he says if "F*** the police." All I could think is how rough his life is here and getting a secondary education is soooooo bad. The casse had awards for the criminology dept.

 

My friend. Its very close minded of you to say this. The world and people are very different and not all of them are the way you think about them. I am sure a bunch of people here who have been to Iraq know that mostly people there are peaceful and nice, they just need a little bit of help.

It was a relevant point that Nate brought up.

And i did not say that all the refuges are so great that come here. There will always be people exploiting the system and others.

 

well, the Crusades were an attempt to bring focus and respect back to the Catholic Church, so Pope at the time( cant remember) was also struggling with the Cardinals, who were trying to overthrow him.
So basically, they sent an assload of men trekking thousands of miles to go take back the Holy land.
Oh, they also had a "army" solely composed of CHILDREN. Most died marching.

 

i am not talking about a minority, its the majority of the group you brought up. glad you really know whats going on there tho. :rollseyes:

 

you could see a white guy say and do the exact same thing but guess what, you probably would not make a big deal out of it.

 

yeah, and this is also the church who can't agree with themselves, then and now. forgive me if i am wrong, but isnt there ONE pope, i seem to recall when they couldn't figure out that simple little dispute and there were two. that was THEN, i dont even need to bother with the now. oh yeah, and everyone knows the Christian thing to do is shove religion down your throat, ask the HRE.

 

The radical or moderate or whatever ones that believe non Muslims are inferior and useless. That type I hate. Im not a hating person either, so it takes quite a bit to rattle my cage... and those people do it.
Al-Kaharr is a kid in my class who has to bow down and french the floor DAILY in my car shop class. He will stop anything he is doing, even helping someone or anything.
He also refuses to touch GM or Ford vehicles, and spat on my friend's Mercedes because it was made by Jews.
Understand where I'm coming from?

 

why are you arguing with me?

 

Because you are seeing it all from ONE perspective. You need to open your mind to other things man...not all muslims are bad, especially for respecting their faith like you stated (the jew cars is extreme tho)

 

only to those who havent looked or dont want too...

funny how people sit here and rabble off about history like the roman times etc.. but the bible has been proven to be more historically accurate then the books used for historical refernces... as in people within 3-4 generations gave accounts on what happened, not 1000's of years later...

oh well.. I aint here to win people to my faith.. I am here to enjoy a car club... lighten the hell up....

this place is getting to be such a waste of bandwidth lately...

 

I DISTINCTLY SAID ONLY THE RADICALS.

 

And both of you are wrong. He is ignorant and you are in a your own way. You are looking at a very small scale and think its all like that.

 

going to bank on NO. its been rewroten more times than you have breathed, and watered down, etc etc

 

Russ already said the bandwidth is fine...

with that said, Nate, what about the lost text, unaccounted for time periods and shades of grey in the book?

i like playing devil's advocate if you cant tell.

 

I really dont give a ****, I can think what I want, and nobody can make me feel bad or change it.
Jesus, why is everybody so hug happy?

 

wait, who are YOU calling wrong there sunshine? you have yet to point out a decent piece of information that is nearly correct in any text or use.

 

i thought i will not agree on anything with you, but i do on this point at least.

 

you wont agree with me? or you wont accept simple facts and the reality around you.

 

you talking the CATHOLIC versions.. cause their bible is vastly different and was never intended for common man to read....

anyways... the bible doesnt have EVERY ANSWER spelled out for you... where would faith come into it..???


anyways.... regardless of whether the bandwidth is fine.. the amount of sh1t on here lately is ridiculous... can I change my vote (actually I didnt) to NO POLITICS or RELIGION.... there are plenty of those forums around... lets just talk cars and play nice...

 

Umm, you don't know me or that I would gladly get in anyone's face over it. Spitting on the wall right by where I'm sitting in a place of higher learning is ridiculous. On the other hand, this school has a ton of people here that I'm very surprised they got over a 20 on their ACT, by how they talk, their vocabulary, and the ways they present themselves.

 

Not you my friend. Him and the Somali guy.

 

i think we all need to spend a little more time on the flatearthsociety.com and learn about "different" points of view. haha

Nathan, even still, sometimes its hard to keep faith with the world around you in the ****ter

 

Shut up shut up shut up SHUT UP. EVERYONE.

 

I really do think every one of you people watch soap operas in the afternoon you love drama so damn much.

 

well TO ME.. without my FAITH I have NO HOPE... so without it there would be no point... to live and die.. big friggin deal...

 

if you dont care for it change the friggin channel darling....


get ready as the way this forum has been lately NASIOC junior is brewing

 

I know i am not the only one on here that thinks the way i do. But most of those people, i guess, are smarter then me and keep themselves off of this conversation. I think i will go do some of my homework now.

And by the way, i think its healthy to talk about this stuff, you just need to see other peoples points of view and elaborate on them not try to prove them wrong.

 

i know, and i can respect that, i can see both sides of it really. I mean we have to have hope when god plays evil jokes on people.

 

Did anyone ever watch the Simpson's episode where they all get rid of every weapon?

Then the aliens come and we are slaves to them with no fight at all.

I don't wanna be ruled by no friggin aliens.

 

OMG he's got a board with a nail in it!

 

stir stir stir

 

they might give you a fair shot. lol

 

Yus. I like you, Steph. haha