fyi, i really dont give to ****s what anyone says on here. but if you are dumb enough to say stuff that is illegal, dont come on and complain when you get busted for a damn thing.
Like Aegis said - legalize, tax it, make it cheaper and better! It would take a mountain of pressure off of our legal and prison systems and free up law enforcement agencies to focus on the hard stuff. It would also create a new revenue stream for the farm economy and the plant itself is a very efficient bearer of different marketable materials - e.g. the sticky icky and hemp. Pass t3h pipe.
Huh, is that how it works? Seriously, I have no idea... seems like a lot of paperwork to say the least... I suppose there has to be some legal precedent... where a controlled substance was legalized... something more recent than prohibition at least...
This is a really hard subject for me, and not many people know this, but here's my story.. I have a friend who we grew up in the same neighborhood. At 6th grade he had the reading level of an 8th grader, by 10 grade he started smoking pot. By 11th grade he was doing lines of coke, then it got worse. He dropped out of school by 12th grade because of riding the H-train. I'm not talkin about smoking or snorting it either, full blow shooting up. This all happened while I was at college (he was a grade younger then me). He went into rehab. One summer I came home and he helped me get a job. He was sober at the time. We worked this crappy but hell, it paid. He started talking about his time in jail (yes, he went there for aggravated assult on his own father while he was high, also got busted for some drugs, I don't know all the details but i know it wasn't a long time in jail) with some other guys. Needless to say at the breaks during the work day he start going on drives with these guys, coming back a little different. There was one night that really hit me.. We would carpool to work because we lived about 2 blocks from each other. One night coming home he said he want to go get some food, but to drop him off and then come get him in about 20 minutes. I didn't think much about this. I dropped him off then finally got ahold of him about 40 minutes later, he was totally different. While I was driving he would randomly pass out, he kept saying all this weird **** too. He was high on heroin. I didn't know this until we were eatting some chinese food and he liturally just passed out at the table. We had another friend there who knew all the signs who told me about that. The other friend drove him home. I told my friend the next day that I will not be hanging out with him because I know he is using again, but if he ever needs help getting sober, and that's not giving him money, I'll do whatever I can. 2 Months later I get a call.. He told me that he had hit rock bottom again and he was going into rehab. He said that his parent would not drive him because they were so sick of it. I picked him up and drove him to hazeltine (spelling?). After driving him there, I went to go visit his parents. This is an image I will never forget. Me: "Did (friends name) have any drugs or anything in his room?" **Parents hand me a cub foods paper bag, you know, the big ones** I look inside. I couldn't see the bottom of the bag because there was so many needles. Since then, my friend gets cleaned up then falls back down again. It's a ruff cycle. Where is he now? Unfortently he passed away last october. RIP MGC Now, is this an extream case? Probably. Do I think pot is a gateway drug? For some people, yes. Do I think it should be legal? I just don't know. It's hard. I've see what alcohol abuse does to families too. My wifes dad is a recovering alcoholic. When we first started dating I hated going to her house because I didn't know which father i'd run into: Angry, Passed out, happy. Does alcohol rune lifes? Hell yes. Does drug abuse do the same? You're god damn right. Do I think the kid that smokes a bit of the geef is a bad person? No. I just hope that they don't fall down the same cycle as my friend. Like anything, it's all about self control. When someone doesn't know the bounds of their own limits that is when things turn for the worse. I know people that have been smoking for years and they are just fine. I don't do that anymore, but it's more of a person reason (see story above) plus I just felt too retarded after smoking. Do I drink? I think most of you should know that question.. hell I brew my own beer. Do I feel people should be allowed to drive while high as hell? No. Scoobiepwns you know that someone going slow on the highway is just as much of a danger as someone going way to fast. I think about when i'm burnin down hiway 100 at 65-70 mph and i run into some slow ass in the left lane talkin on their cell going 10 under the 60mph posted limit. That is a freakin danger to everyone. Now that i've done my long winded answer.. Here's my short answer: Should pot be legal? I guess I don't have a feeling, it can go either way for me. I just don't want people to know their limit and when to cut back if needed (and that's not just for pot, but booze, caffinee, etc. Hell, I cut back on cafinee because I started getting head aches when I didn't have it)
Sorry to hear about your friend, were drugs the reason for his death? Sorry if that is a touchy subject and forget I even asked if it's too touchy. I agree with you 100% about people having limits, knowing what that limit is, and the biggest thing of all, SELF CONTROL. If you can't handle smoking pot, if it affects your life in a negative way, or other's in a negative way, don't do it. The same goes for drinking. If you can't control yourself, or if you are hurting friends/family/yourself because of your drinking problem, you need help.
The whole "gateway drug" thing is complete and utter BS. The vast majority of people that smoke trees do not take it beyond that. The people that do go beyond marijuana would have anyways, and they would have started with something else, like booms or whippits. I know several people that did everything else short of a needle. I've seen a ton of it and have been offered more pills and lines than most. It honestly scared the **** out of me too. Just because someone smokes some pot does not mean they end up as a hard core addict. And trust me, I've seen tweaker lifestyle. My cousin has been clean for almost two years now, but it took his third strike and 16 months in federal to straighten him out.
For respect of my friend and his family all I am going to say is his death was directly linked to drugs.
It's not BS, it can go either way. You know this person, she knows this person and I know this person...every one has a story. It's all about THE person. Someone could try pot, and never try anything ever again, someone could take a couple pills, but have never smoked pot or anything else before, someone could smoke pot and then figure that isn't enough and wants more...you get the idea, right?
Life is a gateway drug for some and drug addiction catches all kinds: http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/10/rush.limbaugh/ Still trying to figure out what are "Booms."
i can see it as a gateway drug... if people get used to or start to adapt to the effects of a drug they move up into bigger and stronger drugs to feel the effects, then **** goes downhill and they get to the point where they become physically dependent and can't control themselves. I HAVE seen this first hand, thats why i think it should be legalized... legalize it, tax the living hell out of it, and make it weak and as "safe" as you can.
Alcohol is the "gateway drug". Ask any person that you know that smokes pot and ask them what came first...their first beer, or their first joint. Also...I had my first cigarette before my first beer and have been addicted to them for the last 16 years. The government allows us to be addicted to what they want us to be. They make money off of my addictions.
isnt 42.6 or more a gross missdomeanor?? Then over i believe its a half pound it turns into felony possesion?? I might be wrong i used to be more in tune with these laws when i participated.
The difference between normal pot smokers and hardcore drug users is this: When a stoner can't get high off his favorite weed anymore, he moves up to a new strain of weed. To him, that's the only drug that he wants ever. Then after a while, he can go back to that first one that he used and it will work like it did before. A hardcore drug user will not get high off weed after a while, and go looking for something "harder" - like coke. Then coke won't do it for him, so he'll move on to meth, then meth will land him in jail. In the end, he was looking for that harder high the whole time.
I remeber reading artcles about this and I believe this statement is FALSE!. In surveys done through most highschools in the country most teens say that it is way easier to get weed than beer!! However on the point that many of them try aclohol first i beilve that it is true. All kids have to do for that is go in the fridge at home crack one open and comsume!! But to get thier substance of choice on a regualr basis its alot easier to get a bag of weed and a place to smoke every weekend than a case of beer and a place to drink.
ok...it's getting ridiculous now. A Turtle was used in a "Pot Bust." Seriously now. Interesting, but ridiculous. http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0708/540236.html
Well, that settles it. If it was regulated, and sold to people over 21 in liquor stores, it would be harder to get
I totally agree. but for most not all, but most kids in highschool life is one big party. Most younger teens havn't hit that point in maturity where they can differentiate these levels of control. They just go and go and go. I know first hand how the whole drug scene works and the people asscoiated with it and really how detrimental it can be to some kids. If weed were to be leagalized it should at least have an age of 21 to purchase. but then again if it is leagalized we will see ALOT!!!! more kids trying and continually smoking it at a younger age.
I believe so. There are also things that would need to be done with the laws around it as well. There wouldnt be anymore use for people to deal drugs anymore but if someone were to start providing to minors (you know it would happen) and they got caught they should have an extremely harsh penalty! BTW- congrats WRXEcho on car of the month!
I smoked my first J with my stepdad for his 35th birthday. He didn't want to share it with my mom, because she babbles too much and annoys him when she has it. That was his first one in years. He hasn't touched it since. It sure as hell didn't make me go out and buy a bag. People are really worried about pot in this country, it's silly to me. Go take a look at drug use stats for .. say, the Netherlands.
Are you serious? You think that would stop people from growing it, and selling it under the price the gov't decided to sell it for + tax
Easier to get weed than beer...yes. If you grow up in Minneapolis. I came from a small town in Iowa where beer was quite easy to get...like you said, grab a cold one from the stash in the fridge at home. My statement was in the case of 'which you did first'. I'm sure that if we started a poll right now that MOST everyone here would tell you that they had their first drink BEFORE they had their first "toke". And it SHOULD be regulated like you said. I had always imagined it like cigarettes though. Must be 18 years old with valid proof(driver's liscense) to purchase them. Packs of 20...Lol. Either way, I have always been amazed that America has allowed alcohal consumption for decades(legally). Alcohal kills so many people every day. And it is also the reason I can't enjoy a night downtown without dealing with some beligerant/drunk ******* shouldering me and trying to pick a fight. Marijuana>Alcohal...hands down. I can deal with you stoners.
I think I had my first taste of Alcohol when I was around 9(that I can remember). Blackberry brandy. Thank you dad. Marijuana>Alcohol any day.
Lol. Kesslers...14 yrs. old, thanks grandma and grandpa. I don't know why your bottle of Kesslers tastes watered down!?:dunno::biggrin: About 4-5 months later, I met Mary.
no it wouldn't stop them but if there were much strickter penalties people would think twice about selling it possibly. You know the government doesn't want people to be making money off a pruduct that they tax and sell.
How much more strict do you think it could get? Decapitation? What happens if you get caught selling marijuana as the law sits right now? You get fined, and depending on how much you were selling, major jail time.
Well....... Not quite decapitation.I don't know exactly what, But something harder than the usual slap on the wrists or 3 months in the work house.
