I would have stolen or asked for one of his shoes, cuz how pissed would you be if you got one shoe stolen haha the robber would be bummed being the one robbed
I walked out of the Roseville Best Buy one afternoon just in time to see some kid swing a hammer through the side window on my truck. I obviously charged to my truck, which was at the back of the lot. I saw him get and heard a horn honking, which turned out to be his buddy warning him. He gets out as his buddy swings by and scoops him up right as I get there, they haul ass away. I figured the chase was on and got in my truck and tore off, only to be instantly stopped by an unmarked cop car. Evidently he and his partner in another car saw the whole thing and and the douches were already being pulled over. The funny thing was when I drove in I saw this cute/slutty lookin girl walkin through the lot and I got the smiles from her, now when I get to see who all is in the car there she is gettin arrested right along with the other 2 ass holes. Probably a good thing the cops were there, cause I was 18 and pretty dumb when this happened, probably would have dented someones face with a bat when I caught em'
^^^ Sweet Off Topic, I dislike the BB & It's parking @ Roseville My civic got broken into, just plain white hackback, with an old crusty cd player. They busted my windows (doors were unlock, I don't really lock them, whattanoob) pulled the deck out and cut the harness, took a red permanent marker and wrote all over my car. So I'm supposely associated with some 'Gang', especially with what they wrote on my car. They got away, I didn't get to see them. But now I'm a Gangster, so don't test my gangster y'all
What if they break in with a knife, or a baseball bat? You going to outlaw those too? I'm not going toe to toe with a criminal that has a knife or a bat. Again, robbers and thieves will steal whether they have a gun or not. They will find some other weapon to give themselves the upper hand. In which case, the homeowner with the gun will win, while the homeowner that goes bare fisted or with a bat or a knife or whatever will be at the mercy of his ability to fight. They don't offer bat and knife training courses for home defense. But Joe Blow can pick up a 9mm pistol and take a few gun familiarization and self defense courses with it and be very prepared to draw and fire on an attacker. The flaw in your arguement is that if there aren't any guns, then there will be no crime. Desperation doesn't require a gun. If they need to steal to get by, they will do so by whatever means necessary. I seriously doubt the mindset of a robber is "I need money, bad. I could rob a house...yeah, that's a great idea. oh, but I don't have a gun. Oh well, may as well just abide by the law and get a job"
Even hot guns cost money. If they're breaking into your house to steal stuff they can't buy, the likelihood of them being armed isn't so high. However, I'm a "plan for the worst, hope for the best" type of guy. You're not, but there's different ways of looking at situations. I argue with this. I personally have 2 weapons that have not seen light in over a year. They were pulled out once to test fire at a shooting range (to make sure the things worked) and then put back. A year before that, they were sitting doing nothing. I believe hard in the 2nd Amendment because if someone is in my house threatening my pursuit of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, I will do what's in my power to stop him cold. Moreso if he is threatening my family. His family may sue, but at the end of that day I'm the one walking away. I see a huge problem with people not fighting for themselves or anything they believe in. Our society trains people to be victims first, and try to let the authorities sort it out. In some situations, you are the authority. If there is someone in my house doing God-knows-what, I'm not waiting 30 minutes for the police to find their way and assess the situation. I can make the assessment and I will deal with that threat accordingly. I'm not going to wait for Will Smith to bust in and save my ass.
My girlfriend and I were walking back to my car leaving Origami downtown about three years ago and I caught a guy IN MY CAR digging through stuff! Now, this was my 88 325is and I rarely locked the doors because the door were all messed up inside and it was a huge pain to lock them. So, I had it coming I guess. I never kept anything too nice in the car. I just figured somebody wasn't going to go through the hassle of trying to hot-wire that car. Anyway, we are walking back to my car and from about a half block away I saw somebody...something ... in my car. I did a huge double take and when I realized it was somebody in my car, I took off running. (It was kind of funny because my girlfriend didn't realize why I took off running all of a sudden.) He was sitting in my passanger seat fumbling through stuff in the car when I ran up. The nearest door to me was the drivers door so I swung it open, grabbed the dude by his jacket, and started hollering at him. Turned out it was some bum basically. He had spread all the stuff out in my car and was looking for money. I continued to hand on to the guy and holler at him as I looked around to make sure he hadn't taken anything important. I am guessing the guy was sh*****ing bricks. Now, I am no thug or anything but I keep in good shape and measure up about 6'3" 210lbs. I would have soiled my pants if I was the dude. The guy mumbled some stuff and was trying to pull away from me for about a minute while I held on to him. In the end I told him that I was going to let him go and if I found out that he stole anything I was going to run him down. He ran off down the street when I let him go. He didn't end up taking anything. Pretty crazy though.
Like you said you do not know many hunters. Basing an argument off an assumption is a fallacy. Not all hunters have a stockpile of firearms. I have a shotgun for birdhunting, a 30-06 for deer, and a .22 for small game. Is that too many? You show your ignorance by saying it doesn't take much to take down a deer. In all actuality, the more energy you can hit an animal with, the less chance it will get away wounded. Would you rather have lots of maimed animals running around? People like you cry all the time about guns being availible to people and thats the root of our problems. Do guns kill people? Absolutely not. There has to be a person operating said firearm with their finger on the trigger aiming at another person. Therein lies the problem. Saying that eliminating the guns is going to fix the problem is living in a fantasy land. Really all you would be doing is putting a band-aid on it. Firearms are not going away from our society anytime soon, so whining about will do no good. Even if all guns were outlawed, they still would be availible. Cripes, the government has been trying to eliminate illegal drugs for a long time and how successful are they? :laugh: What do you call a shotgun? Rifle? Were they designed for killing people? Absolutely not. If they were, they'd hold a hell of a lot more rounds then they do. The five shells I can put in my 30-06 really isn't conducive to going on a killing spree. If you are reffering to handguns, not all are created with killing/maiming people in mind. Several are used for hunting. There is also competative shooting, and just the joy of it. Some find joy in going fast in their car. Others find joy in hitting a target accurately.
piddster.... you sound like a well thought out guy and I agree with you completely. Too many people jump to rash conclusions without thinking first.
like i said before. im not trying to get into a ethics and morals argument but i stand by my view. yeah guns dont kill people. i know that. its the people who abuse the power that a gun has in a stuation (and thats what im speaking agenst). maybe the fact that ive seen a friend get shot is what makes me so turned off to the idea people everywere owning them and potentialy using them on someone. id rather let someone jack my **** than have to apear in court and explane that i killed someone over something i owned. i couldnt do that to someone anyways. and its not out of the fact that i have been made to be a victum rather than taking a stand. i just couldnt do it by means of possibly killing someone. when i weigh in the fact that im being robbed of some posessions i dont see it as important to point a deadly wepon at my foe in order to keep something i bought. those things, with time can always be replaced and they arent as important to me than maybe they would be to you. i dont measure my life by the things i own but more by the things ive done. but thanks for giving your insite on where you stand. we obviously differ greatly on this topic but please dont call me wrong for what i bealieve.
Being in the military, I think piddster makes a great argument about the difference between guns and weapons. Venture into any house in minnesota, and you will find a kitchen with a drawer of knives in them. I could cut an onion and make a meal, or attack and kill someone with that same knife. The intent behind the tool is what creates a weapon out of an object. The same can be said about a baseball bat, or even a car.
Chuck Norris can kill a person with 138 objects in any average room. This included the room itself. A weapon can be made out of anything. I've watched someone get their ass kicked with a magazine.
There is a lot more to this issue then "Gun's don't kill people, people kill people." I completely agree that cracking down on gun laws is just a band-aid. It's kinda like giving tax money back to the taxpayers to curb a failing economy instead of addressing the real issue...hnoes: Honestly, Americans need to examine why we have such a high firearm homicide rate compared to other first world countries, and fix the actual cause. Things like: - Fear in the mainstream media. High personal firearm ownership. The "war on drugs." The "war of fear" by our current US Administration. The design of capitalism and "only the strongest survive." etc.
The problem with absolute gun control is that it only takes the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens that want to be able to defend themselves. Criminals don't care about the rules and will still get their hands on firearms.
Ive heard it first hand from the law, In Minnesota if someone breaks into your house uninvited and is threatening your life you have the right to shoot them! If they are running away and you shoot them in the back that is where things get hairy. A shotgun is my first choice! Hard not to hit someone at close range with that!
Please close this thread... sounds like a bunch of useless bickering. (except for those who stayed on topic... kudos)
Defend themselves from what? Ze Germans? Lol, there is little to no real need to own a gun for defense. Guns should only be used for hunting, policing, and military purposes. Honestly what other purpose is there to own a gun? Flash it in someone's face? Kill some desperate guy who breaks into your house? I think most of you make valid arguments but I feel that if you don't have a hunting license theres no reason to even own a gun.
And that desperate guy that breaks into your house, what happens when he gets real desperate? Desperate enough to harm you or your family to get what he needs? Sorry, I'm not going to piddle my pants and let him do what he wants. And, I'll probably be the only one to say this, but, If someone did break into my house and threaten harm on myself or Stephanie, or anyone in my home for that matter, I'd take pleasure in shooting his face off. I would ENJOY it. Desperate or not, you take my rights away in my home, I'll go ahead and accept your life in exchange. And I'll smile, knowing that I get to sleep comfortably that night, while that poor, desperate, needy soul gets to spend his in hell.
i didnt see my car get broken into the first week i lived in monticello, but if i did, i would have grabbed a shovel and beat the kids face in, and it would have felt great, i dont work for my **** so other people can disrespect it
Oh no, no, no closing THIS thread because of whining. If you close THIS one, you need to close every other thread that people are OT in.
yes back on track. If you want to start a political bickering thread please take it elsewhere. I have been very thankful that my none of my cars have been broken into. It is always a present fear when i leave my cars out in the open. The booby trap law really bug me, mainly because it defies logic. if a person gets injured in a place they should be, and is completely illegal to be in that area, why is the owner of that area responsible? shouldnt the blame fall upon the person who should not be there for being there? the fact that they are got injured while in that location should count against them as proof they were somewhere they shouldnt have been. I am always careful to lock my doors and hide valuables from sight along with other basic theft prevention techniques but seriously if someone wants to take something theres nothing to stop them. Thats the problem with having nice things, its just advertising to get them stolen. as for catching someone. it is always nice when justice is served. Bludgeoning them to a pulp would seem to be a satisfactory method of solving the problem, however I think that it is much sweeter to get the police involved. seriously if you beat them up they will most likely be back to normal in no time. If they get arrested and convicted they then have to contend with a criminal record and jail time, which will stick with them to haunt their future. Having a gun imo tends to be more of a scare factor. if someone is robbing you, the gun will be very effective to scare them off. actually using the gun will result in huge issues for you. The way the gun laws are setup (this may have changed, there was a bill on this a little while ago which i lost track off) is absurd. if someone is assaulting you you need to jump through 100 hoops before you can use lethal force. pretty much you need to warn them multiple, times, attemp to flee, warn some more, flee some more, and if you are still being assault you might be able to shoot at them by which time you may be dead or unconscious.
Quick OT, then I'll get back to the OP. I think you're dead wrong about your statement about not having a reason to own a gun if you don't have a hunting license. There are plenty of law abiding people who own guns who don't hunt anything other than paper targets and aluminum cans. There is nothing wrong with that. I own 3 guns (2 handguns and a shotgun) and have never hunted. It's a hobby for many people, and a good one. Any moron can shoot. It takes skill to do it well, and some people wish to hone that skill. Just like some people strap bigger turbos onto their cars, some people play video games, and others learn to fly. Just like someone takes pride in the fact that they can run an 11 sec 1/4 mile, I take pride in the fact that I can shoot well enough to put the rounds where I want them reliably every time. That's not an easy skill to master. And yes, I also take comfort in the fact that if someone were to break into my place that I can adequately defend myself and my fiancee. And by adequately, I mean that not only do I have the capability to defend us, but the ability to do it well and without endangering anyone else. Anyway, back to the original topic. I've only had two auto break-ins, one when I lived in Seattle and one here. In Seattle they stole a cheap CD player out of my 260Z, gave me an excuse to upgrade. Thankfully they didn't break anything and seemed to be pretty civil about the whole thing, no broken windows, no busted dash stuff. My other break in was when my RS got stolen. Bastards.
Folks. Please don't confuse CRIMINAL law with CIVIL law. You may not be convicted CRIMINALLY for shooting an intruder, but the intruder (or his family if you caused a fatality) can bring a civil SUIT against you for damages, or losses - regardless of their criminal activity or intent. As far as guns go... I hold the utmost respect our soldiers and for their sacrifices... It is not something I have had to do, and doubt I could have done. (Thank goodness!) With that being said... "Make love, not war". That is my mantra. Back to the topic at hand... I was quite impressed with the story of flstffxe's friend Ryan, and how he handed himself. I would hope that I would have the ability to handle myself with such tatct if the situation ever presented itself to me. "We fear violence less than our own feelings. Personal, private, solitary pain is more terrifying than what anyone else can inflict." -James Douglas Morrison (1943-1971)
a few? if it were me that kid would have been lying on the ground with two broken legs and a busted face. no one touches my car.
first of all, you are saying that if you have a family that you love and property that you worked your ass off to obtain, you wouldent want a gun in the house to protect it? im not saying thats stupid by any means, but in my opinion its like having life insurance, you dont think about using it, but when you have to, youre glad its there, I dont want to rustle anyones feathers but I am just simply stating that protecting your family should be a natural instinct, weather it be a bat, 9 iron or 12 gauge. lets be realistic, if intruders bust down your front door, you arent going to run down there swingin fists, thats all im saying. and as for "providing guns to people" nobody is forcing you to go to the gun shop and get a gun, there isnt commercials on tv showing a super hot girl shooting a 12 gauge inplying that having a gun will get you laid/make you cool/attractive guns are for defense, and so are booster shots. just my opinon, im not trying to slam anyone or sway anyone into seeing things my way. I love you all, Tim
if someone broke into my house to get what they are so desprate to obtaine the fact that they might have a gun doesnt change my idea that i would want one. when people break into your house they arent looking to take your life. they usually only have the gun incase you have some way to take theirs. thats their insurence too. if they break into my house with a gun they can take what they need and leave. thats really the main point in being jacked. yeah some might say that people get killed by burgalers or theifs but i would guess that usually happens in situations where they have to defend themselvs agenst armed people. the things they take are worldy posessions and i can always get them replaced and usually in these cases people get caught. i dont need to bring the law into my own hands. its really hard where i come from to get away with stuff like armed robery because someone sees what happens and there is usually a way to find them. you obviously are way more likely to risk your life for posession of a sterio but if its that important to them to come into my house with a gun or other weapon, they can take it cuz ill get it back in the end. thats also a perk of living in an area with lower cirme and a safer community. i dont feel the need to feer everone and own a gun. but im really done with this argument. im not saying any of you are making bad points but i guess im my points dont settle clearly with you.
Take your theories over to the families of Jamis Marks and Sean Taylor, among others. I'm sure they'd love to subscribe to your newsletter. Or not. You have no clue when it comes to arrest rates for burglaries and you seem to live in a happy little world where people just want stuff, they're not worried about witnesses or being caught. Quick clue for you: there are bad people in this world who don't care about you, your family or your lives and livelihood. They would gladly kill you to keep from getting caught, or just to help themselves to things that you own. Some of us prefer to keep the playing field tilted (rightfully) in our favor. Does that mean that Jason, Tim, myself or some of the others are just salivating over the thought of some masked man breaking into where we live so we can gun them down like Bruce Willis in Die Hard? Nope. I would bet they have the same outlook on it as I do. I have no desire to shoot someone. However, I'm willing to do whatever I need to do to keep my loved ones safe. If that means that I have to pull the trigger then I'm not going to think twice about it. I'm not trading my life or the life of any of my loved ones for some scumbag (I don't care about his reasons, his background or any other of the 'what if?' theories that seem to be so popular. We all make our own choices in life. Those choices have consequences, some more so than others) who decides that he wants to gamble by breaking into my place. Does that mean that I'm going to blast away at everything that goes bump in the night? Nope. Does that mean my first move is to reach for the Remington rather than the Samsung? Nope again. Each situation is different. If you think that I'm going to risk my life so I can go at it barehanded with an unknown assailant you really are naive. I don't believe in fair fights. Never have, never will. I will stack the deck in my favor every chance I get. That barehanded **** is for Hollywood and people who don't know better. Or Chuck Norris. Bad things happen. Some us are more prepared to deal with it than others.
please dont call me naive. your argument is more of an attack on my view rather than a discusion on keeping safe. i never said that you should ever defend yourself. im only saying that I wouldnt use a gun. im prepared to deal with bad things that happen to me but i choose not to blast away. please read my posts with a more open mind rather than bashing on my view and making fun of it. thanks for the fun talk.
about a year ago, one of my buddy came by my house at 1AM in the morning and ringing the door bell. I was still awake waiting for him to pick something up. He rang the door bell like 3-4 times. My family was asleep but a few seconds later my dad came out of the bed room with his Rifle. My buddy was like "hey, what is your dad doing?" with a all scared face. hahahaha.....I told my buddy dont do that again.
+1 X100 brian, im not some blood hungry cold blooded killer sitting up waiting for someone to break into my house because I get pleasure out of injuring someone or something, however the blood in my veins WILL run cold the second someone decides that its thier decision weather I live or die after they steal the laptop and digital camera. and holster, if you knew me personally, you would know that I have a pretty open mind about pretty much everything but DSM, I have no problem with you being against guns or whatever, im not against guns, im not for guns I am, however for the safety of loved ones (like if you want power, get a turbo/sc or nitrous DUH lol) and thats all I have to say..........about that T1M
no doubt. id just use a bat or somthing but guns are over the line for me. and thats just how i feel. its not like if i felt like i was about to get shot. id open up and tell them to go ahead.... thats rediculous and if anyone would think that from my posts they are completely retarted. its human nature to defend youfself but as far as sticking a firearm in my hand and using it agenst someone els i could never do that. id shoot a deer if i were hungry. but not another person. if that clears up anything.
i once caught someone trying to break into my brothers old gc impreza.. it was weird and probably the stupidest thing ive done lol.. i was just walking around and i opened the door to look outside(for no reason) and i see a latino dude sitting by the passanger door picking at it. so then i yell "hey!" and he gets up and looks at me and says "me?" and runs lol.. should of gotten my bro to go out there and just beat his ass or something... end result was a messed up passanger door key hole that didnt work any more..
Damn.. I love this thread.. except for the off topic posts.. but I like the stories. I remember my civic was stolen.. never found out who.. sucks.
Yes, Americans love their guns and their hamburgers coated with oil! We're all a stereotype Yee-Haw!!! Seriously, this is why the gun control issue is hot. Some people just simply don't have blood cold enough to pull a trigger on another human. That's perfectly acceptable and quite understandable, but don't assume that other people will adopt the same belief. Also, my story: I had a 2002 Saturn SL with a Pioneer deck in it. Someone busted the driver's window at a bowling alley, ripped the dash open and jacked my stereo. This was in the middle of January when it was freezing cold out. I looked up the cost of the same deck on ebay and the grand total was: $30 shipped. That's when I got really pissed.
Day 2 of having my subaru impreza wrx in st. paul. Minnehaha and Duluth. My window got broken into, no witnesses, wasn't vandalism, had a flat head tool dent on the side window. A month later, clues fell into place as my theiving roomate stoled some of my stuff, clues fit together that he attempted to steal my deck. Stock subaru deck, he cracked the window, looked inside and yo, stock deck, no amp or subwoofers. nothing was taken, i also noticed that he tried to steal the boost guage, a key clue is that while he was using my sterero equipment he had a hot wired sony deck plugged into my surround sound speakers. He ended up getting evicted and escaped my grasp, now he owes $100.00 for my broken window. I'm going to open up a can of some serious whup ass. The guys name is Chue Hang,
