Father badly beaten after trying to protect daughter at Valleyfair

Well where should I be looking? The point I'm trying to bring up is what makes a thug a thug? Is it the way he looks? Or is he defined by his actions like everyone else? Obvious answer but by some of the comments made I'd be inclined to think otherwise... ><

 

I define a thug by his actions, some of which may be somewhat small.
Note that while this is probably less of an issue in the suburbs, gang signs/colors/etc are actions.
Its a know it when I see it type thing though. Note that I deal with thugs (well, most are wanna-be thugs) everyday, so i know what they look like (in fact, may recognize them). It is not young (insert race) guy in baggy cloths as some others might see them.

 

50% SARCASM, but realy.... there lots of stupid people that are not gang bangers, there are many violent people that have no afiliation, there are crazy church goers that scare me more then lil' gangster bitches that talk **** and look "hard". It's people that think that justice is beating some, be it Churh Goers, or gang bangers.

Also, If push came to pushing harder, then I would go toe to toe with anyone man, maybe two, but I would never expect assistance from the bystanders when 4 more guys pounce on me. That would be my error in jugement. When the 5 friends start heading for me and this eaquals a total of 7 people wanting to beat me I'd run like hell!

 

I personally think we should have a System that is An Eye for Almost an Eye.

GoGo Gadget Bible Days!

Small crimes like speeding and such, just a fee and slaps on the wrist cause good people every now and again make mistakes.

Larger Crime or Violent Crimes =s Public Floggings (spelling) and such.

You rape a young girl, we make you sit in public chained up so people can throw shiot at ya and you get beat in public. Plus we punch you in the nuts til you cry!

You beat up a pissed off dad cause YOU touched his daughter, we take a bat to your face!

I guarantee if the punishment for raping kids and unnecessary/excessive violence was that harsh or harsher, people would think "Hey, this dad is yelling at me, my boys are here, lets kick his ars! But wait... I don't think I wanta be left in Pubic for weeks on end and beat with a baseball bat later".

Basically you should get my point. Someone beats nearly to death another person, and all they have to worry about jail time. Thats lame!

 

This is horrible. Why do people have to go to places just to pick fights? It ticks me off that people will do stuff that ruins someones day. I bet that father and daughter were having a fun time at valleyfair enjoying the rides and what not. Then it went from fun to life changing all because of a group of hooligans did something stupid and got called out for it.

I am glad to hear that they were caught and that they were arrested. I hope that they get what is coming to them. I am not familiar with the laws regarding this sort of violence, but hopefully it is strict enough so that they dont do this again.

 

WTH are those old guys slapping a 12yr old in the buttox for?
They can be charged with alot of things

 

Pssst, a secret. . . .
People who commit these crimes rarel think of the consequences.
You think of the consequences and as far as I can tell you don't do this.

Either crime makes you stupid or stupid people commit crimes.

Extreme punishments don't do crap. I've put a guy in jail for 50+ days for DAR number 20+. If he'd have thought that morning, "hey i could go to jail for this for 50 days" he never would have done it. But he didn't. Hopefully, that 50+ days will keep him from doing it again (but it likely won't. -- There's some 20-something out there who's on like DAR number 50 and basically gets picked up for DAR, gets 90 days, and then gets picked up in another month for DAR).

If people thought of the consequences of sexual assualt or even simple felony assault, (PITA prison, felony record, huge legal bills, parole, loss of job/house/income/family) no one would do it. The point is that they don't.
Esp in a mob violence situation like this, they're not thinking of 5 minutes from now, much less trial.

Don't interpret this as advocating for less punishments. Prison serves a number of purposes -- deterence (but the simple fact of prison is enough to deter the people who are detered), protecting society by locking people up, and reformation.
Going on the last one. Reformation does happen, though not as often as it should. Prision unfortunatly has a tendancy of turning some people into harden criminals. Draconian punishments have been shown to have a prevese effect, actually increasing recidivism in many cases. The main goal of prison for anyone who is going to get out should be making sure they never come back to prison. This will never be acomplished through draconian punishments.

FYI, 3rd degree assualt is only punishable by 5 years. I suspect that if the fathers condition is as bad as implied in the article, it will be recharged as 1st degree (20 years). (2nd degree requires a weapon) i suspect that either the father's condition is not as bad as the article says, or the county attorney is waiting for more from the hospital. In these types of cases, prosecutors don't tend to undercharge, esp in suburban counties.

 

what is DAR

 

Driving after revocation.
Yeah, we put people in jail for that.

 

REALLY? oh god. even for the 1st offense?

 

Depends on the county. You have 2 PMs.
In St. Paul/Ramsey county, you don't get jail until your 4th offense (and maybe not until your 6th depending on who your proosecutor is).
In Anoka, they want jail on a 2nd offense. 1st one is a full misdemanor with 30 days suspended for 1 yr.

 

reading this tread reminds me of this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_AJ0SkbPxAk

 

The funny thing is, I know someone who has DAR for about ten years, and never been caught. He only drives for work, and doesn't drink before/after work, but it shows that someone won't necessarily change their habits.

 

Lucky, white/asian, dresses nicely, not that young, and drives a decent car?

How does he never get caught and hasn't gotten valid yet?

 

Reading what these guys did is just irritating. There are so many times where I wish I could take matters into my own hands and take care of these fools. That's it.

 

No, it's just the stupid ones that get caught doing crime.

 

That could be it

 

This.

So many people forget that the term is "crime and punishment." Maybe they send these winners to a nice pound 'em in the *ss prison.

Just locking them up won't deter them, although the crime rate would be lower because four criminals are locked up...

 

Thankyou for being the first to say it Nate. That was the first thing in my mind when I read this.

People are pathetic, and are sheep, thats the issue in our society. There are very few watchdogs out there that have the balls to jump in and jack up some wolves. Hey, if its not your problem, why risk your own ass?

 

This ain't the UK when it comes to crime and punishment, thank god.
(Though if i could get the beer and the fish and chips plz. . . also, meat pies)

We already had this discussion.
Because society can't feel that anyone will back them up, you can't really expect the individual to intervene. You're in Valleyfair with a friend. Youc ome upon 7 punks beating this guy. Do you intervene? You can't expect teh crowd to help you. So it's 2 against 7 -- you're going to become another victim.
People, to thier credit, at least called the police. Thats more than that famous NYC case where hundreds of neighbors heard a woman getting attacked, knew she was getting attacked and none called the police.

 

and you wonder why there are hate crimes. I have a lot of colored friends but the bad ones out there ruin it for the rest. Kinda funny how all you ever see on the news or reports is Gun shot this and murder that and driveby this and rape that and burglary this. Wow and 95% of the time who committed that crime???

Security needs to be stepped up. Anyone seen Boondock Saints? We need more people like that!! This kinda crap pisses me off!!


Im done.....

 

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And you wonder why people like Jesse Jackson exist and even have a place in our society. Jesse Jackson is useless for this case and situation but he has/does serve a purpose in dealing with issues of race based discrimination in this country. I have a multi-cultural mix of friends and relatives but the bad ones ruin it for themselves, they are not spokesmen for their individual cultures, but to the ignorant masses who suck up everything spat out from the tube they are more than spokesmen they are the embodiment of whichever race is represented.

I'm just giving the other side to your mentality, a side that I wish more people would join. I wrote a lot more but took a ton out since I went way OT. Not trying to bash you in any way, shape, or form, just trying to give you a different opinion to think about.

 

I totally see where your coming from. All I hear from others not here, is how bad this or that race is because of all the crimes. Then theres the hate groups. Im not racial at all. I to have friends of all races. To me where all the same. It just seems like all you hear about is how one race commits all these crimes. Thats all you hear news reports on. All races commit crimes but certain ones are reported on way more that others.

 

There is some truth to this statement. Just like the only dog that attacks people is a pit bull!

 

I have some white bedsheets to sell you

This may be true for reporting (but i don't even think that).
Crime is an equal opportunity employer

 

Do these sheets come with eye holes pre-cut? What are the thread counts? I need to do my hate crimes in comfort.

 

lol...

 

Whatever he once was, now Jesse Jackson is a shakedown artist.

When a mob of black kids started a brawl at a high school football game in Rockford (and it was a real brawl complete with chasing people down across the bleachers, beating them to the ground, kicking them, stomping, etc.), all the kids were expelled. Jesse showed up and started marching, claiming the punishment was too harsh and all the kids just wanted to learn. So the school released the truancy records of all the kids involved. Big surprise, they had missed about 75%. Yep, those kids just wanted an education... :roll:

But back on topic...

 

They're silk.
Very comfortable, for the KKK member with style

 

like this....

 

Guns don't kill people. Minorities do.:roll:

If I'm white, well, more like a pinkish beige, am I not also "a colored"?

 

+1. A much more serious version of Office Space.

 

I am more than capable of handling myself, and regardless of if it was one guy kicking a guy or 7, I'm going to enter the confrontation, and I will be armed. Whatever is around and big enough to wield, I will get my hands on it. "One mind, any weapon" is the mentality you assume, and what we call in the Corps.

Also, even with an object to use as a weapon, I understand I'd probably get my ass beat. We're talking 7 on 2, maybe 3 if that dad is okay, but I'd sure as hell rather get rocked than stand around.

I'm sorry, I know its EASY to SAY that you will do something, but I'm pretty confident I would have gotten involved and things would have gotten messy, I'm sure on my end as well. I'd still sleep better with a black eye and a couple broken ribs than remembering that little girls face while her dad was getting stomped all alone.

 

I can attest for a few people on here that if they saw that going down they would have gone in swinging by THEMSELVES knowing how ****ty their odds were.

The two I see in my mind with a black eye and a big bloody grin missing teeth are Nate and Brian.

 

I always have 2 arms with me.. unfortunately no guns.. cursed with skinny limbs

 

i can honestly say i would've gotten in there and thrown down with those guys

 

been there... brawl... just being funny...

 

amen brother.

Learn to be ruthless in fights and you will hardly ever not come out on top. If you are mentally capable of escalating the fight immediately past your opponents pain threshold or mental reservations he will either back down or lock up. Ask most fighters and they will tell you that if they don't get their adrenaline flowing before the enter the fight, the first two solid strikes can put them down.

 

+10

+100

 

Ahhh, the acrid stench of disingenuous eTestosterone.

If you weren't there. You weren't there.

Separately, mobs, and their mentality, should DIAF.

 

e-testosterone?

I'm sure this isnt the intellectual answer you're looking for, but regardless:

There are those who wear their scars, and those who carry their scars.

Those who act, and those who wish they had acted.