http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f95/ap-v2-2005-fxt-not-hitting-13-5psi-53769/#post599259 http://forums.cobbtuning.com/forums/showthread.php?p=601647&posted=1#post601647 Trying to find out why I'm not getting my 2005 FXT to 13.5 psi on a stage 1 cobb map. I've been trying to get answers in the above forums. I have a data log from my accessport. Do any of you have a moment to take a peak? Pm me your email, and I'll send the data log. "Hello, I installed my accessport today on my stock 2005 fxt. I flashed to the v1.11 stage 1. The highest psi I've seen so far is 11.5. I set the realtime map back to stock and it was making 10.3. There are no aftermarket parts installed. Any ideas?" "I haven't tried the datalog feature on the accessport yet. I checked the T-fitting [turbo, turbo inlet and the wastegate actuator], and it looks fine. I bought the accessport used, but have used the accessport manager software to check the firmware, and maps. Everything is up to date. The car runs nice and smooth. The only issue is not making the target boost for the stage 1 map." Cobb 2005 FXT AT Stage 1: http://www.accessecu.com/accessport/...1 ATv111.pdf
If these were from recently, you may not be hitting target boost due to the temperature. High IATs lower boost dramatically.
Well, I guess I wouldn't get too worked up over 2psi. I would want to see the logs (you can post them online). You need to remember that every car is different. Back in the day I tuned 4 stg2 cars in 2 days, and what I thought was a very solid map, turned out to be VERY aggressive on one car, and even lamer the the factory map on another car. There are so many small variables involved that can make you lose/gain 2 psi, its not worth getting all worked up over. You also need to remember that 13.5psi on you car might be knocking. You are always better off getting it dialed in to YOUR car with the gas YOU run all the time. Russ
Here's part of the data log Code: sec RPM load DAM IA DA TP PSI WD AFR IDC MA MA V FTS FTL CT IT mph V 374.76 3416 1.96 1 20.5 7.5 99.96 8.41 90.16 11.04 42.55 121.01 3.58 0 0 181.4 75.2 25.48 13.52 375.08 3714 2.18 1 19 8.5 99.96 10.15 90.16 11.04 50.85 134.95 3.72 0 0 181.4 75.2 27.34 13.44 375.41 3827 2.18 1 19 8.5 99.96 10.01 90.16 11.04 51.62 139.16 3.74 0 0 181.4 75.2 31.07 13.52 375.73 3930 2.16 1 19 8.5 99.96 10.01 90.16 11.04 52.22 142.53 3.76 0 0 181.4 75.2 31.07 13.52 376.06 4117 2.14 1 20.5 8.5 99.96 9.86 90.16 11.04 54.29 146.51 3.8 0 0 181.4 75.2 34.18 13.44 376.38 4306 2.12 1 23 7.5 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 56.3 153.51 3.84 0 0 181.4 75.2 37.9 13.28 376.71 4503 2.12 1 24 7 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 58.97 160.88 3.9 0 0 181.4 73.4 37.9 13.52 377.03 4701 2.1 1 26 5.5 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 62.04 165.57 3.94 0 0 181.4 73.4 41.63 13.52 377.36 4943 2.1 1 29 5 99.96 9.43 90.16 11.04 65.04 174.12 4 0 0 179.6 73.4 45.36 13.44 377.69 5154 2.09 1 32 4 99.96 9.28 90.16 11.04 67.32 177.14 4.02 0 0 179.6 73.4 45.36 13.44 378.01 5306 2.04 1 32.5 3.5 99.96 8.99 90.16 11.04 68.09 181.28 4.04 0 0 179.6 73.4 49.09 13.36 378.34 5491 1.99 1 33 3.5 99.96 8.56 90.16 11.04 69.53 184.3 4.06 0 0 179.6 73.4 52.82 13.52 378.66 5691 1.95 1 34 3.5 99.96 8.27 90.16 11.04 69.28 186.68 4.08 0 0 179.6 73.4 56.54 13.44 378.99 5854 1.91 1 34 3 99.96 8.27 90.16 11.04 71.47 187.47 4.06 0 0 179.6 73.4 56.54 13.52 379.31 6037 1.88 1 35.5 3 99.96 8.12 90.16 11.04 72.21 189.07 4.08 0 0 179.6 73.4 59.65 13.52 379.63 6254 1.84 1 37.5 3 99.96 8.27 90.16 11.04 72.95 191.47 4.1 0 0 179.6 73.4 62.76 13.44 379.96 6405 1.78 1 40 2.5 99.96 8.12 90.16 11.04 72.79 191.86 4.1 0 0 179.6 73.4 62.76 13.52 380.29 6484 1.77 1 40 2.5 99.96 7.98 90.16 11.04 74.04 194.26 4.12 0 0 179.6 73.4 65.87 13.44 380.6 6263 1.81 1 35.5 3 99.96 7.98 90.16 11.04 3.79 188.22 4.08 0 0 179.6 73.4 68.97 13.68 380.93 4666 2.24 1 20 2 99.96 11.6 90.16 12.88 64.17 169.49 3.98 0 0 179.6 73.4 68.97 13.44 381.27 4713 2.14 1 20.5 0.5 99.96 10.44 90.16 11.04 61.83 166.51 3.94 0 0 179.6 73.4 70.84 13.44 381.6 4794 2.1 1 21.5 -0.5 99.96 9.86 90.16 11.04 62.45 166.84 3.94 0 0 179.6 73.4 73.32 13.52 381.93 4822 2.09 1 22 -0.5 99.96 9.72 90.16 11.04 63.03 170.23 3.96 0 0 179.6 71.6 73.32 13.52 382.25 4917 2.1 1 23 -0.5 99.96 9.86 90.16 11.04 64.01 173.25 4 0 0 179.6 71.6 75.19 13.44 382.58 5047 2.1 1 25.5 0 99.96 9.86 90.16 11.04 65.24 176.65 4 0 0 179.6 71.6 77.67 13.52 382.9 5127 2.08 1 27 0 99.96 9.72 90.16 11.04 66.92 178.16 4 0 0 179.6 71.6 79.54 13.52 383.23 5162 2.07 1 28 0 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 66.14 180.03 4.04 0 0 179.6 71.6 79.54 13.52 383.55 5284 2.06 1 29 0.5 99.96 9.43 90.16 11.04 67.77 179.65 4.04 0 0 181.4 71.6 82.64 13.52 383.88 5319 2.04 1 29.5 1 99.96 9.28 90.16 11.04 68.15 181.53 4.04 0 0 181.4 71.6 84.51 13.52 384.2 5443 2.03 1 30 1.5 99.96 9.14 90.16 11.04 68.6 183.42 4.04 0 0 181.4 71.6 84.51 13.44 384.53 5498 1.98 1 32.5 2 23.13 6.82 24.3 11.04 42.41 97.04 3.18 0 0 181.4 71.6 86.99 13.68 384.85 5103 0.17 1 24 0 10.58 -10.88 0 12.07 6.54 14.96 1.94 0 -0.78 181.4 71.6 88.23 13.92
you need to put headers on the data so we know what we are looking at. If you did that in excel, make sure to keep the headers to 5 letters or less. I can only determine what half of them are without headers.
I shortened the wastegate arm 2 turns. I got a 12.3 twice. Boost felt like it was coming on stronger. Would you suggest I sit happy, try another turn on the wastegate, or re-do the vacuum lines (cheap, and easy enough)? I know it is hard to say without actually seeing the car, I'm just looking for suggestions. Code: sec RPM load DAM IA DA TP PSI WD AFR IDC MA MA V FTS FTL CT IT mph V 451.11 2317 1.07 1 36.5 4.5 37.63 0.29 32.93 14.49 14.59 53.52 2.82 1.56 0 195.8 87.8 17.4 13.52 451.44 2773 1.51 1 26 7 99.96 4.79 90.16 13.34 25.59 76.51 3.12 0 0 195.8 87.8 18.64 13.52 451.77 3215 1.89 1 20.5 7 99.96 9.14 90.16 11.04 38.67 109.06 3.5 0 0 195.8 87.8 20.51 13.36 452.11 4011 2.15 1 20 8.5 99.96 10.88 90.16 11.04 55.7 147.3 3.8 0 0 195.8 87.8 20.51 13.36 452.43 5053 2.03 1 31 4 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 64.53 171.72 3.96 0 0 195.8 87.8 22.99 13.36 452.76 5545 1.98 1 33 3.5 99.96 8.85 90.16 11.04 68.93 180.86 4.04 0 0 195.8 87.8 26.1 13.36 453.07 5963 1.87 1 35 3 99.96 8.27 90.16 11.04 71.27 185.04 4.06 0 0 195.8 87.8 26.1 13.36 453.4 6498 1.76 1 40 2 99.96 7.98 90.16 11.04 71.77 189.44 4.08 0 0 197.6 87.8 29.83 13.36 453.72 5627 1.93 1 33 3.5 99.96 8.85 90.16 11.27 3.49 186.21 4.06 0 0 197.6 86 34.18 13.6 454.05 4344 2.27 1 19.5 5 99.96 12.33 90.16 13.91 61.35 162.08 3.92 0 0 197.6 86 34.18 13.36 454.36 4547 2.13 1 20.5 3.5 99.96 10.88 90.16 12.19 59.87 161.06 3.9 0 0 197.6 86 38.52 13.36 454.7 4705 2.1 1 22 2 95.65 10.59 90.16 11.04 62.01 166.46 3.94 0 0 197.6 86 42.87 13.36 455.02 4267 0.31 1 23.5 0 9.41 -8.85 0 11.04 5.45 8.63 1.66 0 0 197.6 86 42.87 13.76
Earlier: Gave the wastegate arm another full turn. 12.2 psi, wastegate duty still pegs at 90%. Just now: Replaced the 2 short vacuum hoses leading into the turbo (used stock restrictor pill). I ended up hitting 13.49 psi. I kept the 3 turns on the wastegate arm. I'm assuming the problem is fixed, unless the data log shows something wrong that I can't see. Code: sec RPM load DAM IA DA TP PSI WD AFR IDC MA MA V FTS FTL CT IT mph V 235.12 3199 0.46 1 43 0 16.46 -7.54 21.95 14.61 9.49 26.97 2.32 15.62 0 194 82.4 18.64 13.68 235.44 3638 1.24 1 34 3 99.96 0.87 63.11 14.38 27.34 89.64 3.28 0 0 194 82.4 18.64 13.6 235.76 4098 1.99 1 21 7 99.96 8.27 90.16 11.61 54.91 150.39 3.84 0 0 194 82.4 19.26 13.36 236.08 4790 2.18 1 27 6.5 99.96 10.88 90.16 11.04 66.16 173.65 3.98 0 0 194 82.4 20.51 13.28 236.39 5333 2.08 1 32 4 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 69.03 184.66 4.06 0 0 194 82.4 24.23 13.28 236.74 5779 1.96 1 34 3.5 99.96 8.7 90.16 11.04 70.97 188.64 4.08 0 0 194 82.4 24.23 13.36 237.06 6256 1.85 1 37.5 3 99.96 8.27 90.16 11.04 72.91 191.46 4.1 0 0 194 82.4 28.58 13.28 237.39 4903 2.22 1 26 6.5 99.96 10.73 90.16 11.5 3.03 185.41 4.06 0 0 194 82.4 33.55 13.52 237.71 4222 2.29 1 18 5 99.96 12.33 90.16 13.34 59.91 158.38 3.86 0 0 194 82.4 33.55 13.36 238.04 4331 2.21 1 19.5 5 99.96 11.46 90.16 11.04 60.91 160.06 3.9 0 0 194 82.4 37.28 13.36 238.36 4517 2.2 1 21.5 4.5 99.96 11.31 90.16 11.04 62.52 167.17 3.96 0 0 194 82.4 41.01 13.36 238.69 4729 2.18 1 22.5 3 99.96 11.17 90.16 11.04 62.99 170.54 3.98 0 0 194 82.4 41.01 13.2 239 4882 2.17 1 24 2 99.96 11.02 90.16 11.04 65.87 176.24 4 0 0 194 82.4 44.74 13.36 239.33 5001 2.14 1 25 0.5 99.96 10.73 90.16 11.04 66.91 178.88 4.02 0 0 194 82.4 47.85 13.36 239.65 5227 2.11 1 28 0 99.96 10.3 90.16 11.04 68.29 184.19 4.06 0 0 194 80.6 47.85 13.28 239.98 5334 2.1 1 28.5 0.5 99.96 10.15 90.16 11.04 69.07 185.33 4.06 0 0 194 80.6 50.95 13.28 240.3 5439 2.05 1 29.5 1 99.96 9.72 90.16 11.04 69.71 188.12 4.08 0 0 194 80.6 53.44 13.28 240.63 5630 2.02 1 31.5 2 99.96 9.57 90.16 11.04 71.05 188.49 4.08 0 0 195.8 80.6 53.44 13.36 240.95 5708 2 1 31.5 2 99.96 9.43 90.16 11.04 72.15 188.89 4.08 0 0 195.8 80.6 56.54 13.36 241.27 5902 1.94 1 32 1.5 99.96 9.14 90.16 11.04 71.34 189.67 4.1 0 0 195.8 80.6 59.03 13.12 241.6 6027 1.91 1 32.5 1.5 99.96 9.28 90.16 11.04 72.82 193.29 4.1 0 0 195.8 80.6 61.52 13.36 241.92 6094 1.89 1 34.5 2 99.96 9.28 90.16 11.04 72.95 192.06 4.1 0 0 195.8 80.6 61.52 13.36 242.24 6248 1.87 1 35 2 99.96 9.28 90.16 11.04 74.11 192.85 4.12 0 0 195.8 78.8 63.38 13.36 242.56 6198 1.86 1 35.5 1.5 99.96 9.28 90.16 11.04 3.97 195.67 4.12 0 0 195.8 78.8 65.24 13.44 242.89 4336 2.39 1 17.5 2.5 99.96 13.49 90.16 12.42 64.67 171.88 3.98 0 0 195.8 78.8 65.24 13.36 243.23 4476 2.23 1 15.5 0 99.96 11.89 90.16 11.5 62.08 164.93 3.94 0 0 195.8 78.8 67.11 13.36 243.55 4483 2.21 1 16.5 0 99.96 11.75 90.16 11.04 61.89 165.93 3.94 0 0 195.8 78.8 68.97 13.44 243.87 4539 2.22 1 16 -0.5 99.96 11.75 90.16 11.04 63.67 169.59 3.96 0 0 195.8 78.8 68.97 13.28 244.2 4647 2.21 1 17 -0.5 99.96 11.6 90.16 11.04 63 171.47 3.96 0 0 195.8 78.8 70.21 13.36 244.52 4657 2.19 1 16.5 -1 99.96 11.46 90.16 11.04 63.62 170.33 3.96 0 0 197.6 78.8 72.08 13.36 244.85 4724 2.17 1 17 -1.5 99.96 11.31 90.16 11.04 63.51 172.59 3.98 0 0 197.6 78.8 72.08 13.44 245.17 4832 2.18 1 19.5 -0.5 99.96 11.31 90.16 11.04 65.29 175.99 4 0 0 197.6 78.8 73.94 13.44 245.5 4888 2.18 1 20 -1 99.96 11.46 90.16 11.04 66.09 177.49 4.02 0 0 197.6 78.8 75.81 13.36 245.82 4962 2.18 1 21 -2 99.96 11.31 90.16 11.04 67.1 179.38 4.02 0 0 197.6 78.8 75.81 13.36 246.15 5015 2.17 1 21.5 -2.5 69.78 11.02 54.88 11.04 67.43 180.12 4.02 0 0 197.6 78.8 77.67 13.36 246.47 4518 0.26 1 23.5 0 9.41 -9.43 0 11.27 5.8 9.68 1.7 0 -0.78 197.6 77 78.91 13.76
Looks like you need a 3-port BCS for any more boost. The stock BCS is just very limited on some cars. Hard to tell if anything is wrong from just looking at your logs without the map attached. I can for sure say that that you are getting some knock, as the advance tables are never typically negative (and there are some negative DA values in that last log). Also, in the future, just log the first ~8 or so parameters and do a full 2nd gear pull from 2k to redline.
Not sure what you mean. The "DA" parameter you logged basically just means how much advance the car is running. Subarus run two timing maps, a base map, and an advance map. The advance map is always positive and is multiplied by the IAM (this is the advance value) and added to the basemap to get the final timing. That DA field in your log just tells this advance value. I guess what I'm saying is that logging just DA will not really tell you anything. With the opensource tools, there is a logger parameter (Feedback Correction) that is directly related to when the car knocks.
Same answer as before; it is hard to say. Honestly, you are probably fine. All I'm saying is your log shows knock or learned knock correction.
I don't know a lot about tuning, but that is what I meant about the knock. How it may not be actual knock, but a sign of correction. I don't know what I'm talking about .
The Subaru ECU learns to pull timing in areas the car has knocked before. In the case of your last log, the car may have either been knocking, or had knocked in the past and learned to pull timing.
