muffler...to prevent excessive or unusual noise,... not emit or produce a sharp popping or crackling sound. it is the discretion of the officer to decide if the "noise" is blended into the overall vehicle noise or not. no specific DB. it can look stock but sound not stock and still receive a warning/ticket off topic post was off topic, back to tint!
Yep, this. Take the front tint off and you'll probably be fine. I have 13% tint on the rear windows and no tint up front. I've gotten one warning and one fix it ticket (In Gaylord, MN...fitting name) I paid the fine because the fine was less than the cost of the tint. Haven't been hassled for a few years now.
no for the profiling thing, im saying if yo can prove they are profiling, if a harley drives by the cop throttle wide open then a straight piped truck drives by banging away then you drive by and yours is much quieter that is profiling. i agree with you, if you know yor illegal deal with it, i have for a few years. im just saysin i agree that they dont hit up trucks and bikes enough compared to cars IMO
Also, they do pull over vans and station wagons for tint. I know this for fact. General incompetance plays a role here. I had one cop give me a tint warning on my Dodge Magnum. It came from my company's fleet program with that tint from the factory, my car was fresh off the train. His reasoning? "The Dodge Magnum is just a Dodge Charger with a different front end and hood, and a wagon rear end. Since it is based off of a sedan, the law treats it as such." If it were called a "Dodge Charger Wagon" then he would be correct, but it isn't, it's called a Dodge Magnum, and it is a different model of car that only comes in wagon form. And the tint is factory tint. It's stamped. Yet he still gave me a fix it ticket. I forwarded it on to my boss who took care of it, but still. It was brutally retarded on the officer's part. And he flat out made up his own retarded interperetation on the spot. And it isn't "profiling" in the least. The only "profiling" that is going on here is "those windows on that car, to my eye, fit the 'profile' of tinted windows. which is against the law." And yes, in Minnesota, the exhaust "law" is based entirely on the cop's personal perception of the noise. Trust me, I tried fighting this in Red Wing after I moved here. My solution is to never drive in Red Wing again, nor do I give money to any Red Wing businesses. If I see "red wing" in the address of the business, I move on. Face it. You are part of a group of people that make 4 cylinder cars loud, and many find that annoying...including cops. And you live in Minnesota, not exactly a progressive area...or Fargo, which is about as backwoods as you can get and still be called a "city." The cops there are going to be biased and are going to pull over foreign cars with loud exhausts before they pull over the hillbilly with the loud pickup truck. And that isn't going to change any time soon. Your best bet is to learn how to drive your car quietly and blend in. For reference, I probably have the loudest Subaru in the twin cities, I haven't gotten a noise ticket since that time in Red Wing nearly 6 years ago.
well this is the off topic forum so whatev. well overall i dont think we were ranting about paying the tickets i know i wasnt i was ranting that the tint law is dumb and the reasoning for it is dumb and i think the laws should be the same for all vehicles IMO. on that note i think the exhaust law should be the same i dont know if there is a DB level law either but i think it goes further then just saying "doesnt look stock" alot of vehicles have aftermarket looking exhaust from factory these days. what do you even get for an exhaust ticket? fix it ticket? nothing is broken its just louder then you would like, if they can give a ticket for it there has to be some sort of law on the exhast. there are a few cops i could ask about this law, i will have to figure it out. or do they give you a noise violation, but i have never heard of anyone getting these other then at loud parties in the middle of the night. either way there has to be a law, its not just from it "not looking stock" pretty sure my stock roush exhaust on my mustang is pretty loud even though its stock. (hard to write a ticket on a stock car with no mods away from factory)
Ok I know it's illegal and what not and I really don't plan on taking it off...it's a $20 fine and I like how my car looks so it's not that big of a deal IMO. The reason I made the thread is because do they really not have better/more important things to worry about? Pull someone over whos actually doing something seriously wrong.
seriously wrong? so would it be okay for someone to go into a store, and steal a pack of gum? it's small, it's not that big of a deal, right? they have better/more important things to worry about? the law is the law, wow.
Minnesota Title 37 Statute 169.69: Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with a muffler in good working order which blends the exhaust noise into the overall vehicle noise and is in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person shall use a muffler cutout, bypass, or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a street or highway. The exhaust system shall not emit or produce a sharp popping or crackling sound. Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with such parts and equipment so arranged and kept in such state of repair as to prevent carbon monoxide gas from entering the interior of the vehicle. No person shall have for sale, sell or offer for sale or use on any motor vehicle any muffler that fails to comply with the specifications as required by the commissioner of public safety. No need to ask your cop friends. That's the law right there. If it sounds louder than it should, makes popping or crackling sounds, it's illegal. If it is falling apart, illegal. If it isn't OE or doesn't conform to OE standards, it's illegal. There is no db rating, it's up to the officer's discretion. And they CAN write you a ticket for the loud Roush exhaust, but you simply tell the court "that is the stock exhaust system from the factory, that's how it sounds."
I don't believe that my logic is that far off about the plexi doors and curtains thing, even though i half stated it in jest. Think about it this way, even though your house is on private property and not operated on public streets, there is a whole host of regulations you must abide by, some for safety some just to be a good neighbor. There's probably more stuff to do in or with a house that is illegal than there is with cars. This could also be an indication of how flimsy our personal property rights actually are...
thank you for the post! so i just need to either turn my music way up to say its as loud as everything else on the car or just tell him that exhaust comes from the engine so exhaust is the noise of the engine lol! and i was not bringing up the profiling with the tint i was only bringing it up with the exhaust again no one is fighting that its not right to pulll over people with tinted windows we all know the law. on the topic of better things to do i do believe that sometimes cops do get bored and just pull people over, i have had it happen myself cop even told me he was just doing a check, dont know what it was supposed to mean but i didnt get a ticket or warning and wasnt in a hurry so i didnt care
No, they don't. Anybody who has ever been cited for not-a-murder likes to use this excuse. There are detectives and specialized task forces for "more important things" that are "seriously wrong". The folks pulling you over for tint are specifically employed to do things like pull you over for tint. Cops in my home town do this routinely. I learned such as a fact when managing a gas station overnight and listening to them regal each other with stories of blatant wanton douchebaggery night after night.
yes we know the law is the law it is just stating that the law in this situation is dumb and misrepresented many times, readymix even had the story about the magnum. i personally was just making the point that the reasoning for the law is dumb. and to connect tint to stealing is not even close there is an actual loss when stealing, there is no loss with tint. you might as well have compared tint to grand theft auto or armed robbery
i was talking to the OP, not you. my point was that a crime is a crime, dumb, stupid, whatever.... littering, jaywalking, no plates, putting up a sign without a permit...... all of those are dumb and stupid, do them, and you will get a ticket.
You've been around cars enough to know that you knew, Tint tickets were bound to happen. Its like adding more power to a car, Sooner or later somethings gonna give and its gonna cost you money. You gotta pay to play
isnt that with hookers too? you have to pay to play? hookers prolly hate tinted windows too, never know when they gunna get hit. i think we need to keep the MN tint laws to keep our police and hookers safe! lol
NOTICE: This thread is reaching critical mass for stupidity. It's starting to resemble a Facebook chatter stream. Better get a handle on the reins here quickly or I'm going to lock this thread.
For those of you complaining that SUVs/Minivans etc have privacy glass from the factory it's because they're held to a different Federal standard than passenger cars. They're classed as multipurpose vehicles rather than passenger cars. The PT Cruiser was one example of a car that fell into the MPV category for CAFE standards for Chrysler. They're a small car, but they get classed as an MPV and get privacy glass. Same with trucks and SUVs. They're also held to different crash and emissions test standards. That's why you can get a van without any rear windows if you want to.
I really have to wonder about this sort of thing, if you don't like pulled over and ticketed, why wouldn't you stop doing those things that put in in that situation? Either that or hire a lawyer because you have been "profiled".
personally I wear sunglasses, there are a few advantages 1. I don't get pulled over - even if I had a perscription - also these keeps the law from deciding something else is wrong once I am pulled over 2. I can take my sunglasses off at night and have good visibility to manuver 3. people who might want to steal somthing can clearly see that I have nothing for them to take 3. I can vary my level of tint just by changing my sunglasses, so far as I know any level of tint is legal
if sunglasses took care of my skin condition and my sensitivity to the sunlight id do the same but i need a little more than that.
I know that you are talking to the OP but I side with WRC10... this is a bad example. Yes the argument can be made a crime is a crime... but that doesn't mean it is a good argument. Stealing something is taking from others. The OP is talking about tint which does not take or affect others. Your example may as well been killing someone because either way you aren't relating your example to the OP's topic other than it is illegal. Yes there is a relation but it overlooks the whole topic at hand, which is talking about a law that makes something illegal when it has no adverse affects on anyone and can actually aid a driver.
My point was , and still is, small crimes and big crimes are still crimes, that's all. Thanks for pointing that out, I understand that I was comparing apples to oranges.( but does it really matter?)
I agree about the crime part of it. You are 100% correct. I disagree with the state and the validity of the law.
I guess it's a good thing you're not a cop, then. [Good] Cops don't take the job so they can sit in their cruisers all day and sip coffee. They put themselves into harms way so the average civilian doesn't have to take that risk. That's not to say that they're suicidal, but most cops actually are out there to protect and to serve. Part of that service is to do the dangerous things so civilians don't have to, like pulling over the over-tinted Lexus with a gun-toting crack dealer in it. Every cop on the road today knows that risk is there when they take the job, but that's what they're around for. The scenario you just described is exactly the reason tint laws are in place and need to be enforced. There are a lot of very nasty people out there that would prefer they could roll up anywhere and start blasting without people knowing that they're packing. Cops aren't paid to be pussies; the good ones aren't.
