Hey Matt. I dont really have to worry about the 22t because its not going into my car. I have read all about it and I know the potential and I know what the internals are like. I was just told by the owner of East Coast Swappers and one of the main guys at COBB that it isnt worth the money for many reasons. Turboing my 2.2 l is the route I have chosen. I am not trying to offend anyone I am just saying what people have told me.
I'm not saying that you should put one in your car, but I'd like to know the reasons these people say not to bother.The 257 is good yes, but its still not as strong in the long run. I've seen the cylinders flowered like a damn tulip. The reason Cobb isn't for the 22T block is because of the oiling system, and the difficulty of oil pressure at high rpm. Whatever. A properly matched turbo alleviates the need to rev to 9k. If you want to get serious, there isn't a stock subaru block that will do everything. Sounds to me like you do way too much reading and very little building/wrenching.
ECS, meh. Not impressed. Swapping drivetrains and wiring isn't that hard. I'm more interested in what cobb has to say. When I talked to them personally on the phone, there was no such hesitancy. Ya if you want to run the newer wiring, fine. Its easier that way. A standalone isn't that hared either. 30 wires is NBD, unless you are to incompetent to read a wiring diagram.
Well I have never torn apart a boxer engine. I have only torn apart Honda engines. Sorry I dont have as much experience as everyone else, thats why I go onto forums to learn about things I can't do on my own. Thats why I want to buy another subaru motor so I can tear it apart and see how the blocks are built and the setup of the internals. I havent even had my car for a year yet so I am still learning.
I want to run a built 2.2l with boost that way I dont have to mess with wiring or anything just drop it in and use a piggyback system for the most part.
Fair enough. Just keep in mind the internet should be taken with a grain of salt. I've run 3 times the boost you can plan on stuffing into your 22E (about 28psi). And that was on stock 22T head gaskets. What do you mean by a "built" 2.2L? If you are going to spend money on internals, get a 22T block or a 257 block. The 22T block will work with the triggers(crank and cam angle sensors) you already have, and can take much more abuse, granted that its in decent fresh shape, not been sitting for years. Thats the mistake a lot of people make. Keep in mind that earlier subarus don't take well to most piggyback systems. The Perfect Power PPG is anything but perfect. I don't know of anyone that was very successful with an E-manage on an earlier car. That is why the WRX swap is so popular. People are too afraid of a standalone. My buddy is running a Maf Translator Pro with pretty good success. That is with custom firmware though, and it has its quirks.
22e builds have been done, but more often than not when they are, they are franken setups and are far from ideal
The nice thing is they are cheap to replace when you pop them. I've got one in my garage. I could get a couple more for under $200 each tomorrow.
Thanks, I might have to ask you some questions when the time nears (if it ever does), it should though with my job. What kind of turbo setup do you have? Ok, my bad. I have had all the negatives stuck in my head and I found a forum I started on NASIOC about the ej22t and one guys was feeding me bull**** the whole time so I checked into some shops and they said it was a waste and to swap a wrx motor in. I forgot all of the good that can come out of it. It has been about 8 months since I have looked into the swap and I have looked at many other options so I suppose I am mixing the swaps up. I gave up on it because I couldnt find any cheap ej22t for sale around me, actually i couldnt find any so thats when i really decided to do a 2.2l turbo setup because people seem to have luck with that. Sorry for all the drama
How easy is it to find internals for a ej22t block? I have looked before and came up with pretty much nothing if i remember right. I also hear that it is popular to put 2.5rs heads on because they are much free'er flowing.
If you have some free time just tell me everything you can about the EJ22t swap. You seem to know what your are talking about and I could use a refresh. Maybe I will open this option back up. I want to know what kind of wiring it takes mainly. My car is a OBD2 the ej22t is either OBD0 or 1 so will that effect anything?
The 22T block used the same rods as the EJ205 (WRX) so they are easy to find. Wiseco makes off the shelf pistons. I'm using Eagle rods with the Wiseco's. If you want to keep it simple, stick with what you have. If you pop it, its cheap to replace. Any heads are much more free flowing than the 22T heads. The 2.5 DOHC heads used to be popular before all of the new turbo motors came stateside. You can use any EJ series heads your heart desires.
Maybe I should just turbo the motor in my car and then after I have it installed I can decide if I want to stick with my setup or do a ej22t swap. I can sell a turbo kit almost instantly on rs25.com I appreciate the info even if I seemed stubborn.
I don't recommend using a 22T unless you are going to go through it. Considering they were available from '91-'94, the chances are it will have sat for a long time. One that I found in the JY had a seriously rusty cylinder. You wouldn't want to try and fire that up. Since you can use any heads yo want, you could use the heads you have and keep all your wiring unmolested. But again, I need to stress the fact that you shouldn't just toss in an old shortblock that has sat for an unknown amount of time. Sometimes they are OK, but other times they are not. Would you really want to waste all that time on a gamble? As long as you keep the heads ans intake in the same genre as you have already, wiring is a non-issue. You could use 2.5 SOHC heads of the same year and they should wire in the same. Just like using the phase I 2.5 DOHC heads on a 22T with the old wiring harness. The triggers are the same. As long as you stick with the same phase (I or II) of triggers, it should work.
That seems like a good idea. If you don't want to get too serious, keep it simple. If you go crazy on a motor, then you need to spend at least as much on the driveline. Things get real spendy real quick.
The best form of the setup i'm running was last summer, just at td04, RRFPR, Forester XT top mount, legacy turbo injectors, right now i'm running with a 60 trim and i dont like it, too laggy, i like the high end, but my car doesn't rev so i cant really take advantage of it, it was a torque monster, made 178 whp and 208 tq at RS motors, thats a bit more then a stock wrx in a lighter car.
Hmmm, that doesn't sound like a bad setup. I am more about torque than high-end so that is perect for me. Should be able to get the turbo setup for around a grand too then. What did you spend on yours approximately?
Well i got alot of stuff for cheap or free, but i definatly say you could build one for under a grand!
Thats awesome, I'm really going to look into this! Do you have a piggyback system? or not enough of a change to need one?
i have nothing in the form of engine managment other then the regulator., been faithfull for around 20K miles or so, still has great compression, i'm pretty impressed.
Thats pretty amazing actually haha. I can get a deal on a Apexi SAFC controller so maybe I will pick that up since I would have bigger injectors and maybe a PP6 piggyback system eventually.
Thanks I want to get an SLR so I can get some better pics but I would rather have a boosted scooby so a point and shoot with photoshop will have to work haha
What is it with boxer motors? I have read a lot of people have turbo'd their cars without a piggyback system but any other type of engine would pretty much blow up without one or not run well at all.
I found the ej22t thread made on naisoc, everyone liked it except for one guy and for some reason i could only remember what that one guy said. I forgot all the pros. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19395321#post19395321
