well considering that I've seen stock STis from 209-220 at RS, that is probably already enough. edit: I had a GC 4 door that was ~220whp and it dusted stock STis
ive needed to hear that for a while. someone to tell me to calm down about making more power. im just at the point where my power feels not as fast to me. thanks. but a retune is needed id say. my idle is a little rough. and i think a few more ponies can be squeezed out with a tune. at least to 250. so i hope a openECU tune will work out for me
all you people tripping over power...make it usable and do the rest of the car, if i want big numbers i would go with a V8
well ive got suspension covered and taken care of. i just need it dialed in to my driving style so thats why this summer im thinking about auto-x. building a stronger transmission is my next step. ppg's anyone?
Congrats! I went into DB last week and went stage 2. I left with like 199.2/201 with Shane's Open ECU tune on their Dyno. (Uppipe, TXS Catted TBE) Thanks Shane and the folks at DB!
Scuba, mine made 242 hp and 237 tq at 20 psi on DB's dyno. Not too bad, it goes like stink in comparison to my previous set up.
you get what you pay for, namely the ability to run race gas, separate maps, launch control and have guys like Jorge tune your car. To me that's worth the extra $
those numbers seem kind of low if you ask me...you should be closer to 210/210 on horsepower and torque...but anywhooooo congrats on the stage 2~
Yes, only if a person is needing all those. The AP is great for changing maps and very portable. Yes, there are many great tuners that will tune the AP If a person wants to dd, no need to do any of that stuff, a basic flash will be good enough.
Or you could spend $80 and some of your spare time and get td04 numbers that whoop everyone's in here. But I guess I get what I pay for.
Ohnoes he didn't. What about all that complicated math involved!! About the only thing you can't get with OS is the "guys like Jorge who only use ST." LC is available for almost all 16bit ECU's, and soon to be available for 32bit. Map switching takes all of 30 seconds (and a laptop).
^^^ Oh, LC is already available the 06 wrx came out today, whoowhoo FFS is next and when realtime tuning is available, I'm pretty sure alot of tuners will start messing with that, but then again, that's just if...it comes out (members are starting their own OS projects, so we don't have to rely on just one)
I found tinywrx's store right after reading this . They're making headway on the ramtune and canbus tuning. However, I can't wait for the new version of the tactrix cable. Standalone logging to micro sd = awesome.
Thanks, I think there was an issue with the turbo not pushing as much boost as we would have liked. Either way, the car drives like a champ now and sounds wonderful. Yall weren't kidding when you said modding was addictive! I was up till like 1:30am pricing out new turbo's and injectors. Cheers
ok thats it...the first thing im doing this spring is an openecu at DB. im calling them in the morning. $300 you say? thats a price i can dig!
I dunno what you are running on 91 oct, but i bet its not too far off what i am ruinning. I don't have enough spare time to do hundreds of logged pulls on my car. There are certain things i like to have the liability put into a professional's hands. not everyone wants to learn on something as expensive as their own engine. Some people might pick it up quickly, however most won't. I bet if you gave me $10 for every hour I didn't spend tuning my car compared to getting teh most out of an open ECU setup and I bet I come out ahead. its great for people who have alot of time on their hands and don't mind doing a lot of logs. That ain't me though. I can't fit a laptop in my glovebox, or explain to my wife how to reflash with it... "now crawl under the dashboard, connect some wires and you are good to go!" That 30 seconds assumes that you keep your car constantly in test mode and your laptop constantly booted as well... A lot of big name tuners don't like open source tuning simply because those maps they put on there turn up on the internet about 30 mins after the guy gets home usually and on their friends cars in days. Lots of decent DSM tuners don't do them for that reason, its happening with some subaru tuners too. I mention all of this because i consistently see openEcu people get their cable, flash a junk stage 2 map on there or take it to an open ecu tuner who gets them less HP than guys like Jorge get. Thats the average openecu car in a nutshell, the ones that don't break because their owners didn't mess them up too much when they didn't know what they were doing (not all of them but some). Its a shame becuase it works well for the people who really get into it but then they evangelize people who don't know what theyre doing.
Some people do not need the AP, some do. End of that there. Some would like to have multiple maps, some do not need it. And majority of AP users flash the ots maps, which either works well or it doesnt. Same with OS users, flash an ots map, either hit or miss, same ****. Just to let you know, it's just a flash of the ecu map, nothing more. Cobb's software has more stuff as of right now, yes. Makes it easier for tuners to play with. OS, it's open source, free, they're not getting paid to create these things, doing it on their own time. So if everyone was paying them, they can probably quit their daytime job and put in as much time as Cobb and output would be the same. And I've seen Protune maps end up on the net. It's easier than you think.
You can convert a real time map to a base map, can't you? I don't know much about AP but I thought I heard someone talking about it. Open source is FTW. It always promotes growth and if anything should get Cobb and others to lower prices seeing there's a free alternative out there that does pretty much the exact same thing (as far as tuning goes). I can see tuners not wanting to use it for fear that someone may "steal" their map but that seems a little short sighted now days. Open ECu is here, it's not going anywhere and more and more people are using it. The only thing they are doing is limiting their clientele.
Yes, or take it to a shop. The cobb maps are far from maximizing the full potential of the required stage 2 mods. I really didn't feel like paying $700 for an AP when I would just need to get the map reflashed anyways because there is a good 10-15hp left in the engine from those mods. It just seems like such a waste to me....yea sure you can switch maps and all that fun stuff but honestly. You pay $700 for the AP, then whatever people like Jorge charge an hour for the tune....when you just as easily could have had a shop do it...or found a buddy to do an Openecu tune for you. It just seems pointless to me.
Ap is great if you wanna swap maps easily or put in valet mode etc.... great if you dont have a laptop or the mentality to OPENECU (ie ME I have 2 laptops not the maths brain) OPENECU is awesome if you get it tuned (like Zak said if you have time to log, zap, tune , log, zap, tune yada yada) thanks Tom and youare happy with that one map... but for like me, as I am about to sell my car if the buyer wants it back to stock I have to try to get Tom when he is not busy to zap my stock map back on it... yada yada... they each have their pros and cons... as far as what Cobb charges for their maps... well how many of the openecu guys locally do it all FREE??? you can still end up paying a couple of hundred dollars for their time, and what liability do they take on??? NONE!!!! as a ex-business owner in the auto industry compared to a backyard mechanic... its all about the hidden costs of doing what it takes to do business.... insurances, overhead, research, inventory, yada yada... it's like comparing apples to pineapples... may have apple in the name but entirely a different fruit
umm, thats assuming the openecu tune you get isnt down the same HP, which from what i've seen it often can be. nobody ssmart buys an AP for the maps it comes with, you should figure in what it will cost to tune it on top of that. To some extent you have to pay to play. and from what i;ve seen good luck making decent power off of the DB's stage 2 tunes. you get what you pay for. I'm not going to buy a $24,000 WRX and go put a bunch of crap from ebay into it then have it tuned by the lowest bidder. everyone is different though. If you can do it yourself more power to you, but i'd get jorge to tune my car, and for better or worse he only tunes APs now. I dont think anyone has paid $700 for an ap unless they werent looking. Mine is serial #150 APv2, bought from the first run and I paid closer to $600 for it new.
Eh? You take a Cobb stage 2 WRX and put it on DB's Dyno, vs my OpenECU Stage 2 WRX with non ebay parts....Invidia DP and a Perrin Catback. I will bet my first born that I would put down higher dyno numbers. DB is hardly the lowest bidder, and Shane does really good work....211 awhp and 261 awtq on DB's Dyno are decent numbers I would say....off of a DB tune no less. But you have your opinions and I have mine....so lets leave it at that.
again what year is thiss?? 2.0 or 2.5?? your torque would say to me 2.5 but your HP doesnt... I did a cobb off the shelf map for stage 2 wrx 2.0 that put down 212.3whp and 218.* tq.... then Tom openecu tuned mine after I added some extra exhaust work and I am sure as it sits it is a lot better... so whil the torque is good, my 2.0 put down a little more HP.. but I cant remember which place we did the dyno pulls at 2 yrs ago?? so agian that dyno may read different too... either way it comes down to ARE YOU HAPPY!!!
go to xpttuning.com and check around and read around there....it got me sold and i am extremely happy.....only out the 90 bucks for the tactrix cable and 52 bucks for the map and wala i was stage 2 and it pulls very nice now im gonna do there gmbcs map
Well DB has a Dyno Dynamics, which by all accounts I have heard is on average about 20% lower than the other AWD dyno's around. So if we go by those numbers its about 235ish awhp and 280ish awtq....which is right there with a lot of the other 2.5L stage 2's in the country. But yes....I am very happy.
well mine was on a Dyno Dynamics..... i just went upstairs and looked at the shirt I got from one of the guys (I think Shane) on the day we dyno pulled, and its DB!! same dyno... maybe it's just my super amazing exhaust building skill ha ha ha
Not sure, because I had a bone stock 06 WRX TR there for Mitsustyle's dyno day....and it put down 196hp/196tq........So I am not sure what the deal is....dyno's are simply tools anyways....I gained about 43 awhp and 85ish awtq so I am fairly happy with the results.
Dyno readings can be different on different days on the same car on the same dyno. There are factors such as temp, humidity, as well as others I don't understand. That things probably pretty fun to drive now, huh?
and also the fact that no two cars are exactly the same. small things like how your car was broken in (even proper breakin techniques can be debated for subarus) can affect performance down the road
So basically what you are saying is anything that Jorge won't touch is bad. I know you tried the email tunes via open ecu and had bad luck but that certainly doesn't make you the norm. I'm also sure you figured out that nothing beats having the tuner in your car tuning. Email is convenient but that's about it. That said I've been running an open ecu road tune for over a year now with no issues and I've yet to see one car with the same amount of mods (none) put done more power then I have. Is it perfect? No, but I also spent 225 total for the cable and an hour of the tuner's time.
I know Jorge said he'll mess with OS when ramtuning is available. webcrawlr, I thought you used an AP? *last time I spoke to you at RS*
nope, what I say several times in fact that its good for the few people who can actually tune them and sucks for the tons of people that can't. Jorge is only one tuner, there are plenty of others to choose from. That being said he easily tunes subarus better than anyone in this state, and I dont even think thats much of an argument to make. It works out for some people, a lot of others end up with cars that dont run so great or dont make power thats anything special. So for every person who gets lucks and saves some money, there are some that don't. I'm just counterpointing the "ap is an expensive piece of junk" argument often made by some people who always want to do whatever is cheapest to their cars.
