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You my friend are lucky. I'm doing my best to learn and hope to become self-sufficient as well. someday

 

Dave I thought the whole point of the ride along was to watch and ask Nate how he tunes???

 

It was and I asked the basic questions I wanted to ask without becoming overzealous and interfering with his tune.

 

i bet this could have been the issue. might try to do some more research on it. i think 6mtizzle switched to coppers (maybe?) when he started running 110 oct normally.

 

Yeah, I get in the zone when I'm working :biggrin:.

Honestly, I never have problems answering questions and helping people learn, though. Making tuning available to everyone at low/no cost is the goal of the enginuity project.

 

Not doing any tuning himself doesn't negate the knowledge he's gained from personal experience using local and national tuners. It also doesn't negate the knowledge from reading. You don't have to do something personally to get a good understanding of how it works and who's good at what.

For 99% of people a short dyno tune is more then enough to get them in the right spot. For the other 1% that require the best running conditions in all scenarios then they will require constant tuning. The conditions you listed are easily handled by the ECU and shouldn't ever be an issue with a proper tune.

 

This is not true. While the Subaru ECU is very good and handling all types of conditions your car will see, I see "pro-tuned" ROM's all the time with the WOT values changed from stock, but no changes to any type of compensation, turbo dynamics, or KC ranges from stock.

On top of that, unless the tuner has a great basemap for your mods, all cars/mods are going to behave differently when the weather changes. This is why it is important to get tuned by someone who specifically knows Subaru's.

 

I guess that's where proper came in with my statement.

 

True enough. However, even if you have the best Subaru tuner in the world tuning your car for 1 hr on a dyno, it's going to be very hard for him/her to address things like part/light throttle knock, tip in knock, 4th and 5th gear overboost, turbo dynamics, etc.

I guess I have multiple points.

1) A dyno is a very good tool to tune WOT, and enables targeting certain places in the WOT band (with specific IAT's).

2) However, it is very hard to tune some parameters in the Subaru ECU without road logs in differing conditions.

 

THIS!

 

on top of all these reasons, why dont you take it into concideration that everyone may not have the time to do hours and hours and hours of research learning everything, hours and hours of logging, hours and hours of tweaking so there car may need more tweaking?

how about i just spend 150 dollars, a few hours, and never touch or worry about it ever again. makes me think that 150 was the best money i've ever spent

 

I'm unsure as to what your statement has to do with anything, or what point you're trying to make.

If you don't want to learn, of course I'm not going to force it on you. OS tuning and the Enginuity project enables you to only pay $150 for a tune, instead of $700 for an AP/UTEC and $300 for a dyno tune.

 

I switched back to step colder iridiums this year. Clack tunning suggested going back to them.

 

So do you believe everything you read on the internet? There's so much BS out there its crazy. I'm just annoyed by the people who act like they're big **** swinging when they really have little understanding of wtf is going on. A blanket statement of "get a pro tune" is not productive and just shows the mentality of typical americans, ie paying people to do everything, being lazy and apathetic.

And what knowledge is that? Dream has yet to contribute anything of substance in this thread(or any other technical thread, for that matter). I get pissed when people swing their big e-dong and they've done nothing to back up what they say. Does Jorge have people sit next to him in the car and explain everything he's doing? Not a chance. So then how does he have all this knowledge of engine tuning theory and application? Just the notion of someone saying a decently modified car is completely good to go after a two hour dyno session clearly shows you have no idea of WTF you are talking about. After doing research, reading, talking to experienced people, and practice may one make bold statements. Otherwise STFU.

Another glorious post by mr nitelite. Find me a place where you can get a couple hours of professional tuning for $150.

Again, this illustrates my point even more. If someone thinks their car never needs to be touched again after a couple hours on the dyno, they are pretty clueless about engine tuning and all the variables that are not accounted for in a dyno room. Call up Jorge or Bob Norwood and ask them.

 

I worked on shinynitelite's car for $150 this past spring. Thankfully it hasn't blown up yet.

But then again, I'm not a professional.

 

I never claimed to know anything about tuning, ever. I dont care to know or care learn about it. So I guess I suck and im worthless because of it? Like others have stated, I would rather pay somebody who has thousands of cars under there belt tune my car that I spent 30k on and another 10k in parts. And sorry if it makes you mad I dont install most of my own parts. I for one dont have the time. I dont have the desire to learn how to assemble an engine, or take days to install a turbo kit on a car that doesnt quiet fit. I just dont have the time or patience.

And I never contribute anything to any technical thread? Are you for real? Im not trying to "swing my big dong" as you say, but yes I have had multiple setups and I know more than you may thing I do. People like you really piss me off, your mentallity is "if he didnt install it he doesnt know jack about it". That's BS imo. I guess I can agree to disagree with you.

 

I Like Dream

 

Here, let me post this again just incase you missed it.

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All this advise from somebody who has had multiple tune's, by 2 of the top tuner in the states, but I guess I know nothing :roll:

 

Awww I LOVE you 3rik!

 

get a room you two

 

Great discussion, expect for the bashing between members. Let's keep this above the belt. If not I'm closing the thread....I'm getting very sick of a the school yard finger pointing and our inability to have a constructive debates without ripping into each other.

 

it hasnt done anything out of the ordinary, 20x better than stock tune. all while i've consistently beat the **** out of it repeatedly. this for all a few hours and a few bucks.

 

OK, I went off the handle a little bit. I guess Igot a little red in the eyes when you said a "real" tune can only be done by someone who gets paid for it. I can be a hot head sometimes, I know.

 

I shouldnt have said "real" tune I guess, that comes across wrong. I know you, Russ and Tom can tune your own cars and possibly other as well, I just prefer to have a professional if you will tune my car. I feel I have alot invested and would perfer someobdy who does it for a living tune it. This is just IMO, nothing more.

 

I'd say it was more than a few hours. You're forgetting that the basemap that we started with probably had a few hundred hours of refining done to it (via me on my car) -- the few hours spent with you were just to refine the map to your car.

 

Thank god someone said it, as I was certainly thinking it.

Back on topic:

We can all acknowledge that there is a difference between someone who tunes for a living and someone who tunes as a hobby. It all comes down to who you feel comfortable tuning your car.

However, that guy over at XXX shop that has a dyno doesn't make him more knowledgable then Jo Schmo over at OSecu forums.

 

Exactly. Don't judge a book by its cover, I guess. I have been less than impressed with some of the "professional" tunes I've seen.

 

did you even see my post about copper plugs in all this BS floating around?

 

yes, I seen that. thank you....and what jason said....

 

At least there is no problem you seemed a little worried going back to the hotel from Grizzly's.

 

ummm...yeah. Car performs perfect in the AM, drives like ass in the PM with CELs flashing brighter than a christmas tree.............of course I was a bit worried.

 

Rich and Justin said it would be fine ... ohh and that was definitely the most entertaining trip to dinner I have ever had.

 

just wanted to make sure, since this thread seems to be moving quickly. I saw pete debunked it. I also did see that the issue was solved. it was a weak attemp to direct the thread back to something quasi related and away from a monkey **** fight over tuners.

 

Uh, between the two of them they have a combined total of 3 blown engines. lmao. I wouldn't take anything like that too seriously from either of them. :laugh:

 

imho, the pro vs joe schmo debate is much more interesting (now that the problem has been solved)

 

:laugh: love them....but hell no! everyone was under some sort of influence....except the driver of course