my rally project

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  1. carl
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    cracking struts is awesome

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    fml
     
  2. piddster
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    Yikes. Bummer man.
     
  3. carl
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    luckily it looks like an easy fix.
     
  4. sniper1rfa
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    Remember that it's chromoly or something - your welder won't touch that.
     
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    looks bent too...:eek3:
     
  6. carl
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    easy fix for someone else I should have said
    it is bent

    we're getting a replacement
     
  7. Scuba Steve
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    damn right we are...


    are we? :)
     
  8. 03subyR
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    Wow, I thought you guys got some $$$ coils for that car:???:
    Are they going to replace it for free or you have to buy a new one?
     
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    they prob were not meant to be jumped multiple times...
     
  10. Scuba Steve
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    you mean like 60+ times in one race? :laugh:
     
  11. carl
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    they are run by a few teams who compete nationally and by many other regional teams - they've been put through much harder paces than what we've done. i think it was just a weak weld. all the others are fine
     
  12. carl
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    so everyone knows we rolled it a whole bunch

    repairs have begun

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    timing looks to have jumped a bit. hopefully no engine damage - it wasn't making bad sounds when we turned it off so fingers crossed

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    Looks like you got a lot more garage space to work in now for sure!
     
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    Yeah, a buddy of mine has been more than accomidating by letting us use his garage. We're really fortunate!

    After ripping into the car and seeing the damage close-up (not in the ditch), the car doesn't look that bad.
     
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    again, if you want another hand, give me a shout
     
  16. carl
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    could use a hand with someone experienced doing t-belts. i think it might be a lost cause though. spoke to bikerboy and whiskers and it's likely with the position the cam gears are in that we bent the valves and possibly worse. need to re-time it and do a leak-down. none of the ziptie crew have done much in the way of t-belts. if anyone is free tonight or tomorrow please pm me
     
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    not quite right
     
  18. Vector
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    The front end damage looks about like what I have to deal with on Sentra #2. As far as scope goes. Yours looks a lot messier, but the actual damaged area is about the same.

    Sorry to hear about the engine. Hope for the best.
     
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    odd that the other side looks fine

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  20. Kevin
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    carl, i have done a timing belt... hit me up if you need a hand... not free tonight but later this week
     
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    tomorrow kevin? we might just try it tonight, not sure. On the plate for tonight is cleaning and removing interior items, checking suspension, removing windshield, removing rear bumper and more investigation of the timing belt
     
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    Carl, just let me know tomorrow if you don't get it taken care of tonight! I can pm you my cell number and you can just shoot me a text tonight or tomorrow.
     
  23. Bielke55
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    I can help tomorrow Carl. I have an engine stand if you wanna pull the motor.
     
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    Umm...we don't need an engine stand....I have one, and my buddy has a coule...we just need a new motor for the engine stand. ;)
     
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    hopefully not. can we run stock cr in one head and 11:1 in the other :laugh:??

    lol
     
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    let me know where the car is, I can help out tonight.
     
  27. J.Rex
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    Alright, I've never rolled a car or really even crashed one (other than hitting that damn deer), but how did the timing belt jump a notch when you rolled? That seems like the last thing that would happen in a roll into a swamp.
     
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    it jumped about 6 teeth only on the exhaust cam of the driver side.

    rolling a car is very violent and the tensioner can slip.

    a huge thanks to chux who came down from duluth to work on it tonight - between him, dave, tall dan and myself we got the engine re-timed, the windshield out, a bunch of stuff unbent, the interior cleaned, roof scoop removed and found out that the driver's frame rail is indeed bent. it bent at the spot that was already damaged from gravity park - it pushed it toward the engine maybe 3/4". luckily all before the crossmember so we're ignoring it

    the engine started and idled beautifully after we retimed it so it looks like we didn't bend any valves

    this used to be a ball of sheetmetal
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    dented roof is dented
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    still looks like a rally car
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    almost cleaned out
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  29. piddster
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    Its hard to tell from the pics, but how did the cage fare? The rest looks fairly workable.

    Are you going to put on a new roof skin? If so a carbon skin might save you time, and a lot of it. Panel Bond is quick and easy, and will not come off even if you roll it again.
     
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    Yikes, I just looked at what they cost. Over $900 shipped is pretty steep.
     
  31. Vector
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    I think a carbon roof might not be legal. The cage does look good and Grahm clearly did a good job of keeping it tight to the shell which means less deformation.

     
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    the cage wasn't even touched. the unibody took 100% of the impact, with only a little damage (lots of cosmetic stuff....obviously, but structurally, it's awesome).

    the roof will be replaced. which is why we removed the scoop. oddly enough, the fiberglass (?) scoop took a direct hit, only got a little crack, but put a perfect scoop-shaped dent in the entire roof. just crazy!



    we definitely got lucky. looking at the pictures, that cam was further off than I remembered, probably more like 8-10 teeth. but like Carl said, we set it, and it fired right up and idled smoothly. no radiator installed, so we didn't run it long, or rev it.....but things are looking up.


    we visually inspected all the suspension, and it all looks great, except the strut that had the failed weld. Boomer re-welded that spot, but now the other side of the bracket is cracked, and the whole thing is fairly bent. hard to say if it was a poorly-made strut, or if it's a result of the fact that that corner took the brunt of the impact. either way, we'll be re-re-welding it for a spare (will fit either side!), and getting a new one before Ojibwe.
     
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    Sounds like good news. I didn't think you'd bent anything - wouldn't that have made terrible, terrible noises?
     
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    Sweet! My welding skills rule. Broken Slowti on the otherhand does not.. Good to hear on the motor but we better hope it passes a leakdown test or we have even more work to do. Good job guys keep up the good work. I will be there to help next week for sure.
     
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    camera took a crap on me, so no pics but thanks to curly the car sort of looks normal! we also worked on seat mounts, rear bumper and a few other odds and ends - starting to come back to life!
     
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    not a problem, its too bad I couldn't take care of a few more of those, but it is what it is... the rear I wouldn't have minded doing maybe one more layer of bondo, but its a rally car right ;)
     
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    awesome, the ****ing engine did shift. chances are the whole cradle/crossmember is off. i can only pray for busted engine mounts
     
  38. Deride
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    I have multiple sets of stock engine mounts I'd sell for five bucks a set if you need them.
     
  39. piddster
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    Bummer. How did you figure it out? Tape measure comparing sides?
     
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    the ****storm of a noise when we loaded and unloaded it off the trailer. then finding the nice shiny wear marks on the dirty dirty axle

    if we blew the mounts it's getting group n. if we shifted the crossmember it's getting a bfh and loctite :laugh:
     
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    I would start measuring things to find out what actually did bend. Also, irregularities in the frame rails are good indications. My old car had a nice dimple in the frame rail right in front of the crossmember from nailing a culvert at 30 mph, lol.
     
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    well the frame was already bent and it appears to have bent more - but it looks to be at the crease from the original impact, which is 100% in front of the crossmember
     
  43. piddster
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    That sounds like trouble if the motor actually moved.
     
  44. Chux
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    what was the axle rubbing on? I can't picture how the engine could have shifted enough to cause rubbing without be obviously not in the engine bay anymore :eek:
     
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    i hasn't moved much - just enough that the axle will touch the crossmember under heavy suspension compression. if the car is level you can't tell, only going up and down the trailer did we hear that something was rubbing. the left side of the motor seems to be pushed back toward the firewall a small amount, the edge of the timing cover is a bit closer to the frame rail than a stock car (maybe .5") but the rail is also bent slighlty